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Seriously, I'm convinced no Xenomorph will appear. They seem to exploring a whole different "species" in this universe, that species of course being the Space Jockeys and also the possibility of some sort of biological weapon. This film will not end with the Nostromo coming towards camera and John Hurt waking up from cryostasis. Not only that, the derelict ship in the trailer isn't even the one from Alien, nor is the planet they're on LV-426.

Yes, it's a prequel in terms of where it sits in the Alien timeline. But this isn't The Thing (2011) ...

Yes it is the same derelict ship.

If what I've read right, the ship is capable of massive terraforming.
I think they damaged the ship so it couldn't get to earth, and instead it fucked up THAT planet.
No it won't end with any footage, reshot or original of Alien, but it will set the stage for it.
Maybe ending with a close up of a facehugger in an egg?


All you have to do is listen to anything Damon Lindlelof or Ridley Scott has said to realize that it's not a The Thing type prequel. From what I've gathered, it's within the same universe but exploring a new, yet related, mythos. Scott said him and Lindlelof sat down for months to come up with an "original" story to tell in this universe.

Yes, it's a prequel on the Alien timeline and it explains who the Space Jockeys are but I'm convinced it's not the same ship or LV-426.

They say fossilization takes a minimum of 10,000 years, y'know ...


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Lil' Bernie wrote:
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Seriously, I'm convinced no Xenomorph will appear. They seem to exploring a whole different "species" in this universe, that species of course being the Space Jockeys and also the possibility of some sort of biological weapon. This film will not end with the Nostromo coming towards camera and John Hurt waking up from cryostasis. Not only that, the derelict ship in the trailer isn't even the one from Alien, nor is the planet they're on LV-426.

Yes, it's a prequel in terms of where it sits in the Alien timeline. But this isn't The Thing (2011) ...

Yes it is the same derelict ship.

If what I've read right, the ship is capable of massive terraforming.
I think they damaged the ship so it couldn't get to earth, and instead it fucked up THAT planet.
No it won't end with any footage, reshot or original of Alien, but it will set the stage for it.
Maybe ending with a close up of a facehugger in an egg?


All you have to do is listen to anything Damon Lindlelof or Ridley Scott has said to realize that it's not a The Thing type prequel. From what I've gathered, it's within the same universe but exploring a new, yet related, mythos. Scott said him and Lindlelof sat down for months to come up with an "original" story to tell in this universe.

Yes, it's a prequel on the Alien timeline and it explains who the Space Jockeys are but I'm convinced it's not the same ship or LV-426.

They say fossilization takes a minimum of 10,000 years, y'know ...


it's also impossible for something to fossilise if it's not underground so scientific accuracy goes out the window, I've always thought that the Jockey was mummified, which in sub zero temperatures and low air pressure can happen a lot quicker, think of those ice mummies they find up in the Himalayas and Andes and stuff, that are only a few thousand years old if that, imagine even colder temperatures and even lower air pressures and something will mummify even quicker.

edit: a brief trailer analysis.
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/editor ... 54271.html

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Lil' Bernie wrote:
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Seriously, I'm convinced no Xenomorph will appear. They seem to exploring a whole different "species" in this universe, that species of course being the Space Jockeys and also the possibility of some sort of biological weapon. This film will not end with the Nostromo coming towards camera and John Hurt waking up from cryostasis. Not only that, the derelict ship in the trailer isn't even the one from Alien, nor is the planet they're on LV-426.

Yes, it's a prequel in terms of where it sits in the Alien timeline. But this isn't The Thing (2011) ...

Yes it is the same derelict ship.

If what I've read right, the ship is capable of massive terraforming.
I think they damaged the ship so it couldn't get to earth, and instead it fucked up THAT planet.
No it won't end with any footage, reshot or original of Alien, but it will set the stage for it.
Maybe ending with a close up of a facehugger in an egg?


All you have to do is listen to anything Damon Lindlelof or Ridley Scott has said to realize that it's not a The Thing type prequel. From what I've gathered, it's within the same universe but exploring a new, yet related, mythos. Scott said him and Lindlelof sat down for months to come up with an "original" story to tell in this universe.

Yes, it's a prequel on the Alien timeline and it explains who the Space Jockeys are but I'm convinced it's not the same ship or LV-426.

They say fossilization takes a minimum of 10,000 years, y'know ...


it's also impossible for something to fossilise if it's not underground so scientific accuracy goes out the window, I've always thought that the Jockey was mummified, which in sub zero temperatures and low air pressure can happen a lot quicker, think of those ice mummies they find up in the Himalayas and Andes and stuff, that are only a few thousand years old if that, imagine even colder temperatures and even lower air pressures and something will mummify even quicker.

edit: a brief trailer analysis.
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/editor ... 54271.html


One still could imply that its been there for a very long time, certainly longer than fifty years. And still, the planet looks completely different to that of LV-426.

Interesting article.

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go read the last story in the first volume of the Aliens Omnibus from Dark Horse

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Lil' Bernie wrote:
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Lil' Bernie wrote:
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Seriously, I'm convinced no Xenomorph will appear. They seem to exploring a whole different "species" in this universe, that species of course being the Space Jockeys and also the possibility of some sort of biological weapon. This film will not end with the Nostromo coming towards camera and John Hurt waking up from cryostasis. Not only that, the derelict ship in the trailer isn't even the one from Alien, nor is the planet they're on LV-426.

Yes, it's a prequel in terms of where it sits in the Alien timeline. But this isn't The Thing (2011) ...

Yes it is the same derelict ship.

If what I've read right, the ship is capable of massive terraforming.
I think they damaged the ship so it couldn't get to earth, and instead it fucked up THAT planet.
No it won't end with any footage, reshot or original of Alien, but it will set the stage for it.
Maybe ending with a close up of a facehugger in an egg?


All you have to do is listen to anything Damon Lindlelof or Ridley Scott has said to realize that it's not a The Thing type prequel. From what I've gathered, it's within the same universe but exploring a new, yet related, mythos. Scott said him and Lindlelof sat down for months to come up with an "original" story to tell in this universe.

Yes, it's a prequel on the Alien timeline and it explains who the Space Jockeys are but I'm convinced it's not the same ship or LV-426.

They say fossilization takes a minimum of 10,000 years, y'know ...


it's also impossible for something to fossilise if it's not underground so scientific accuracy goes out the window, I've always thought that the Jockey was mummified, which in sub zero temperatures and low air pressure can happen a lot quicker, think of those ice mummies they find up in the Himalayas and Andes and stuff, that are only a few thousand years old if that, imagine even colder temperatures and even lower air pressures and something will mummify even quicker.

edit: a brief trailer analysis.
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/editor ... 54271.html


One still could imply that its been there for a very long time, certainly longer than fifty years. And still, the planet looks completely different to that of LV-426.

Interesting article.


But isn't the derelict ship supposed to be capable of terraforming or something? I'm just saying, maybe when it crashes, it terraforms LV-426 into what we know it as. If you look at the picture I posted last page, it even looks like the derelict ship is laying on rubble, hence why I thought the port that it takes off from probably blows up or something.


Too many god damn questions, Scott just needs to officially come out and say "Yes, it's an Alien prequel."

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Lil' Bernie wrote:
One still could imply that its been there for a very long time, certainly longer than fifty years. And still, the planet looks completely different to that of LV-426.


We should probably assume that maybe, just maybe, those differences might lie in simple oversight made by the new set designers, it is possible that Scott is not obsessing over every single detail, and that the planet we might see in Prometheus is indeed LV-426, albeit with some inconsistencies.

Or perhaps, as WJK says, the ship terraformed THE SHIT out of the planet and made it look quite different.

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One still could imply that its been there for a very long time, certainly longer than fifty years. And still, the planet looks completely different to that of LV-426.


We should probably assume that maybe, just maybe, those differences might lie in simple oversight made by the new set designers, it is possible that Scott is not obsessing over every single detail, and that the planet we might see in Prometheus is indeed LV-426, albeit with some inconsistencies.

Or perhaps, as WJK says, the ship terraformed THE SHIT out of the planet and made it look quite different.


Retconning ftw?

I still like the idea that the ship is sitting on the rubble of the underground docking bay.

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Urgh...........please no, I would hate for this franchise to fall to that level of degradation !

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go read the last story in the first volume of the Aliens Omnibus from Dark Horse


I believe Scott has said only Alien and Aliens are canon.

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go read the last story in the first volume of the Aliens Omnibus from Dark Horse


I believe Scott has said only Alien and Aliens are canon.


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http://uk.ign.com/videos/2012/03/21/rew ... us-trailer

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go read the last story in the first volume of the Aliens Omnibus from Dark Horse


I believe Scott has said only Alien and Aliens are canon.


Source ?


Hmm doesn't really say the exact words, and no mention of Aliens or not, but still:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41273.0

Has the interview that was taken down from this link: http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/inter ... nal-alien/

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EGE: So you are linking this directly with the Alien films?

RS: Not at all.

EGE: Not at all?

RS: No.

EGE: No?

RS: I mean, you could actually say, and there’s a quote I did, a pretty good quote: By the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I’m not going to tell you, because it’s actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don’t go forward.


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EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?

RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!.

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EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?

RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!.


Kinda sad that it's come to this, but that just goes to show what some people can do to destroy an iconic figure and turn it into another disposable product of pop culture, the xenomorph as conceived in the first film, is nothing less than pure brilliance, it's sad what it is now, but at least we know Scott is on the right page on this issue.

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Kinda sad that it's come to this, but that just goes to show what some people can do to destroy an iconic figure and turn it into another disposable product of pop culture, the xenomorph as conceived in the first film, is nothing less than pure brilliance, it's sad what it is now, but at least we know Scott is on the right page on this issue.



What sucked the xenomorph dry was the AVP movies. I can understand Aliens 3 and 4, but when they went for AVP, it´s the beggining of the end.

As to Prometheus, I´m gonna go inside the theater hoping that it´s Alien prequel of sorts. If it´s not, will enjoy Ridley´s return to sci-fi ,and well constructed story with some kickass actors. win-win situation for me...


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What sucked the xenomorph dry was the AVP movies. I can understand Aliens 3 and 4, but when they went for AVP, it´s the beggining of the end.


I'm not one to judge the idea of AVP itself, since I thought it was a great concept, at least in my opinion.

But it's so pathetically executed that one can't possibly think it could've been good..........ever !

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As to Prometheus, I´m gonna go inside the theater hoping that it´s Alien prequel of sorts. If it´s not, will enjoy Ridley´s return to sci-fi ,and well constructed story with some kickass actors. win-win situation for me...


Pretty much !

Unless Ridley Scott pulls a Mass Effect 3 on us :lol: !

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Pretty much !

Unless Ridley Scott pulls a Mass Effect 3 on us :lol: !


Dude, if that happens you will see in the international section of your country´s newspaper and news sites "Portuguese man goes ballistic in movie theater and kills everyone with his own hands."


Right now I really can´t take another dissapointment like that. Heck, this is I´m sticking to The Avengers(with Prometheus running on the outside lane). I want sure things, properties that won´t fuck me in the ass in the last 5 minutes.


But hey, here´s hoping that Marc Walters and Casey Hudson recognize their bullshit and give a dlc ending...


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But hey, here´s hoping that Marc Walters and Casey Hudson recognize their bullshit and give a dlc ending...


Casey Hudson is an asshole, Mass Effect 11 will be announced and the guy (with a cane and an oxygen can) will still go to E3 and say "It's still a great entry into the series for newcomers!", what a douchebag.

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And AVP remembers me of Jason vs Feedy. You knew shit was wrong...


Maybe, it was indeed a silly concept, but the final product didn't have to be SUCH a piece of shit.

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What sucked the xenomorph dry was the AVP movies. I can understand Aliens 3 and 4, but when they went for AVP, it´s the beggining of the end.


I'm not one to judge the idea of AVP itself, since I thought it was a great concept, at least in my opinion.

But it's so pathetically executed that one can't possibly think it could've been good..........ever !

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As to Prometheus, I´m gonna go inside the theater hoping that it´s Alien prequel of sorts. If it´s not, will enjoy Ridley´s return to sci-fi ,and well constructed story with some kickass actors. win-win situation for me...


Pretty much !

Unless Ridley Scott pulls a Mass Effect 3 on us :lol: !


The AVP games weren't bad. The movies are what sucked ass.

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But hey, here´s hoping that Marc Walters and Casey Hudson recognize their bullshit and give a dlc ending...


Casey Hudson is an asshole, Mass Effect 11 will be announced and the guy (with a cane and an oxygen can) will still go to E3 and say "It's still a great entry into the series for newcomers!", what a douchebag.

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And AVP remembers me of Jason vs Feedy. You knew shit was wrong...


Maybe, it was indeed a silly concept, but the final product didn't have to be SUCH a piece of shit.



The problem is that the dude had a brain fart of sorts. Walters wanted to flesh out stuff, give a Investigate option, but Hudson said, and I quote "Let´s keep it high level." So staying in the fucking dark after you completly sidetracked the themes of 3 games is keeping it high level? If it´s levels of bullshit, yeah...


As to AVP, to base the movie on a game franchise with no story whatsover(c´mon WJK, no way they could make a decent movie out of that), and to get the kind of talent behind it, you knew a shitstorm was inbound.

When those motherfuckers introduced Weyland and Yutani, a part of me was like "wtf?"...


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^True, they had no plot, but they're video games, plot isn't a necessity. AVP should have stayed in comic form, or at least the movies should have adapted them better.

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