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Something else I noticed: from this summary of the script it sounds as if Laurie and possibly Manhattan are never at Karnak. The trailers obviously confirm otherwise, since we see Laurie descending the stairs at Karnak and Manhattan crashing through the ceiling.

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"Blue Lightning":

So...uh, in the end, humanity is inspired to unite against.. the weather?

That's brilliant (sarcastic clapping).


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MetalMickey wrote:
"Blue Lightning":

Sooo..uh..in the end, humanity is inspired to unite against.. the weather?

That's brilliant (sarcastic clapping).



Yea, thats the only really serious issue I have. That and in the new trailer the blue explosion clearly happens in the day time.

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Something else I noticed: from this summary of the script it sounds as if Laurie and possibly Manhattan are never at Karnak. The trailers obviously confirm otherwise, since we see Laurie descending the stairs at Karnak and Manhattan crashing through the ceiling.


For the most part, everything plays it as it's supposed to up until well, Dan ends up killing Adrian. Otherwise, Jon and Laurie go from Owlship to Mars to NY finally to Karnak like they should.

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Hm, guess I missed something in the summary. That's what I get for reading it on a cell phone.

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MetalMickey wrote:
"Blue Lightning":

Sooo..uh..in the end, humanity is inspired to unite against.. the weather?

That's brilliant (sarcastic clapping).



Yea, thats the only really serious issue I have. That and in the new trailer the blue explosion clearly happens in the day time.



The Blue Lightning ending I'm not exactly a fan of.

And as for it being Daytime when the disaster occurrs...Is it ever stated how fast the Owlship can travel? It's possible that we have the Prison Break, Dan and Rorschach laying low, breaking into Veidt's office and heading for Karnak in all in 1 night. It would take them a pretty long time to do so and I guess they wouldn't arrive til 11:25am.

That or it happens the next night but then Jon and Laurie would be up in Mars for an awfully long time.

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At which point in that script does it make this known to the audience, and how is it revealed? i.e. Who tells us that is what Blake was doing?


Adrian tells Dan and Rorschach what happened when he is confronted.


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The "greatest practical joke in human history" element is intact. Veidt's observation about Blake's realization of what was happening is not (Boo!).


So if that's not "intact", does that mean it's not actually in the script in question, or just isn't as fully explained as in the GN?

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The owl ship, with it's advanced technology, can't withstand the conditions and has to crash land when it reaches Karnak. So how does Blake get there, break in then get back to the US?


The Owlship was de-icing when they left it. How does Blake get there? Any number of ways, I suppose. It's hardly relevant to the story. How does he get to the island, swim? (I know, I know, he probably did swim).


Actually it is relevant to the story. Getting to and from an island in a warm sea is by far easier than getting to and from a fortress in Antartica.


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It was an awful scene where Dan uses remote control to make Archie smash through the wall of Karnak and crush Veidt. Yes, even though Archie crash landed, it had enough left to be able to take out the "bad guy", action movie style!


Oh come on, if Veidt has to die in a "cool" way, that's about ten times cooler a "You don't hear them coming" moment than an Owlarang is. And it had been de-icing.


"Oh come on" nothing! Having Veidt die at all was a shit idea from it's inception, regardless of how it happened. It's a great relief that Zack has confirmed Veidt lives in the end. That, at least, is one less thing to be concerned about.

As for "de-icng"... the owl ship crashes because it ices up in the Antartic after sitting on a river bed all day (Chapter X, pg25, p3-4). It then sits on the ice and snow, still in sub-zero temperatures, for the entire time. In fact, when they had the owl ship crush Veidt, it took place at night. How the hell can the owl ship "de-ice" in those conditions?

Easily, it can't.

That's why the whole owl ship crushing Veidt scenes were utter crap, as was the owlarang death scene. In attempting to rewrite things to kill Veidt they resorted to things that made no sense at all.

Pointless trying to defend one stupid manner of death over another though, especially as we know Veidt lives in the film :D

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vdtdcutd5145 wrote:
VforVacation wrote:
MetalMickey wrote:
"Blue Lightning":

Sooo..uh..in the end, humanity is inspired to unite against.. the weather?

That's brilliant (sarcastic clapping).



Yea, thats the only really serious issue I have. That and in the new trailer the blue explosion clearly happens in the day time.



The Blue Lightning ending I'm not exactly a fan of.

And as for it being Daytime when the disaster occurrs...Is it ever stated how fast the Owlship can travel? It's possible that we have the Prison Break, Dan and Rorschach laying low, breaking into Veidt's office and heading for Karnak in all in 1 night. It would take them a pretty long time to do so and I guess they wouldn't arrive til 11:25am.

That or it happens the next night but then Jon and Laurie would be up in Mars for an awfully long time.



My issue with a daytime blue detonation would be clear to those of us who are more than familiar with the GN, as Im sure you are. It's just another case of an event losing part of its meaning that gets to me.

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Lord Ruthven, you are aware people go to and from Antarctica all the time? Adrian's not the only person who lives there; there are also hundreds of scientists. If they can go to and from Antarctica, so can Blake.

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Does the "Pagiliacci" sequence show every flashback, or just the one where he's thrown out of the window? Are any of the transitions detailed in the script?


The flashbacks are very close to the novel, as are the transitions that play off Rorschach's words about Blake and Pagliacci. The transitions are detailed in the script. There are a few minor changes.

"Violent lives ending violently..." shows Blake's door being kicked in. "Blake understood, etc" has been shortened, but is no less effective for it. The bit about the animal urge to fight and struggle has been truncated to "Humans are savage in nature, which is accompanied by the shot of the map burning.

This if followed by "No matter how you try to dress it up, to disguise it" This is followed by a shot of the Minutemen and the newer heroes by way of paralell.

The part about Blake choosing to become a parody of society does not show him being attacked with the bottle. I suspect some sort of flashback will be added here, but the script does not feature one as is.

"Heard joke once" begins with Blake's beating.

The "Life seems harsh and cruel" ends with Blake being kicked in the stomach.

"Says he feels all alone in the threatening world" now features Blake in Vietnam, laughing as he sprays his flamethrower, instead of him on the streets during the riot.

"Doctor says, treatment is simple" flashback ends with "That should pick up up, and shows the intruder picking blake up with two hands, as in the novel.

"Man bursts into tears" is no longer Blake sobbing with Moloch, but Blake laughing at the intruder as he is about to be killed.

"I am Pagliacci" is Blake being thrown through the window.

"Good joke, everybody laugh" shows Blake falling through the night to his death.

"Roll on snare drum" shows the smily pin coming off. Blake falls into frame, and then Rorschach says "Curtains". The script doesn't mention the screen going red and then transitioning to roses, but I'd bet Snyder will go this route.

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Is Hooded Justice established as missing, and being the cause of Viedt's grudge against Blake?


This script does not have "Hooded Justice went missing in '55 when Rorschach talks about the older heroes. Since Snyder has talked about adding HJ to the rape scene, I imagine this will be added as well. No mention of Veidt's grudge against Blake, though it can be inferred from the results of their meeting. Adrian is described as glaring at Blake when he leaves.

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Does Sally's porno comic from the 40's fit in anywhere? I figured it did, I think it was in a poster, but I wasn't sure.


It's never mentioned, but given Snyder and crew's attention to visual detail, I wouldn't be surprised to see it lying around in her apartment. The Silk Swingers of Suburbia poster will apparently be seen.

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Ahh...I'm searching through my copy of the GN because I swear there was a mention of where the Gov't was able to track him because of his signature as you mention here.


I don't recall anything like that offhand in the novel, but then, the way they figure it out in the GN is that he tells the fellow painting the quarantine sign on the door.


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Is that awful "Do it for me" line from the trailer in the script?

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So if that's not "intact", does that mean it's not actually in the script in question, or just isn't as fully explained as in the GN?


It's not in the script. Didn't you see me the "Booo!"? :)

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Actually it is relevant to the story. Getting to and from an island in a warm sea is by far easier than getting to and from a fortress in Antartica.


We're talking about a government operative here. A superhero. Maybe he had a snowmobile.

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"Oh come on" nothing! Having Veidt die at all was a shit idea from it's inception, regardless of how it happened. It's a great relief that Zack has confirmed Veidt lives in the end. That, at least, is one less thing to be concerned about


Shit idea or not, if we're going to be forced to have a "cool" death scene, I'd rather have one that's much cooler than the other.

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As for "de-icng"... the owl ship crashes because it ices up in the Antartic after sitting on a river bed all day (Chapter X, pg25, p3-4). It then sits on the ice and snow, still in sub-zero temperatures, for the entire time. In fact, when they had the owl ship crush Veidt, it took place at night. How the hell can the owl ship "de-ice" in those conditions?


I don't know how the Owlship works specifically, but before and and Rorschach set out for Karnak, Dan talks about redirecting heat from the flamethrowers to speed up the de-icing process, and mentions that they don't have time to wait for it to work.

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My issue with a daytime blue detonation would be clear to those of us who are more than familiar with the GN, as Im sure you are. It's just another case of an event losing part of its meaning that gets to me.


Agreed. That shot of the clock behind Dan after Adrian talks about "I did it 35 minutes ago", and the connotations of that...that's huge. And here's what puzzling me. There's no way the filmmakers would just have what happens take place during the daytime for the heck of it. Times Square wouldn't be deserted at Midnight, either, so you can't make the argument that they wanted more people on the streets.

So I look at that scene in the trailer closely...I look behind the buildings, and the skies aren't blue...or gray...they appear to be WHITE. And I look at what happens in the graphic novel, with the whiteout, and the light that comes right before everyone gets blown to pieces, and I wonder if they kept the element from the Hayter draft, which talks about how it seems to everyone that dawn has come at Midnight right before the "event", and I think that maybe that's why it looks like that in the trailer. And then, the lightning/explosion happens, and it creates an even bigger shockwave that causes another whiteout...one that you can see building from the center of the explosion before the trailer cuts it off. I'll be honest. I can't wait to see that sequence extended on film.

Anyway, the event happens at night in the script, as it does in the novel. There's no doubt about that. There's no mention of "Midnight", however, when Manhattan and Laurie teleport to New York. In fact, when they get there, the script says it's "morning", and Jon talks about having trouble with his perceptions? Did he and Laurie miss the event entirely by more than a few hours? Are filmmakers playing with how long it would take to get to Mars and back?

So many questions.


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I hope that's the case but one thing I just noticed is that there's a light source coming from the left side. I'm not sure if that's the sun setting or rising or if that's another explosion in another part of town. You can see light brightening parts of the streets and buildings.

Ugh, this is going to be mind-racking til we see more info or til March.

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fruity fallout that line is fine laurie would say that btw


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The Guard, thanks for taking time and explaining a lot of things!

Any chance you could upload the script so everyone can read it? Or do you only have the paper version?


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I think she actually does say that at some point in the book, or something similar. "Then do it for me", or something along those lines. In the script, she says "Then do it for me", after he tells her he has no stake in the world. The line leads into Dr. Manhattan's statements about "When you left me, I left Earth, does that not say something?"


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BlackDoomShadow, it is posted on second page: Dan and Rorschach break into Veidt's office, into his computer, and find out he might be behind everything.


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Oh, sorry. That's good to hear.

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