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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:56 pm 
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If Rorschach kills the guy with a meat cleaver now instead of handcuffing him and leaving him a saw, then they changed it. Not to mention the dogs.


Oh, that. Still though, that doesn't matter at all. Wasn't significant unless Rorschach is talking to the moviewatchers while the fire burns, and we know that's not happening.


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The Blue Lightning ending I'm not exactly a fan of.

And as for it being Daytime when the disaster occurrs...Is it ever stated how fast the Owlship can travel? It's possible that we have the Prison Break, Dan and Rorschach laying low, breaking into Veidt's office and heading for Karnak in all in 1 night. It would take them a pretty long time to do so and I guess they wouldn't arrive til 11:25am.

That or it happens the next night but then Jon and Laurie would be up in Mars for an awfully long time.


What? What you're saying is shorter than what happens in the GN! In the GN Rorschach and Dan wait down there under the water for quite a while.


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Opium Sandwich wrote:
If Rorschach kills the guy with a meat cleaver now instead of handcuffing him and leaving him a saw, then they changed it. Not to mention the dogs.


Oh, that. Still though, that doesn't matter at all. Wasn't significant unless Rorschach is talking to the moviewatchers while the fire burns, and we know that's not happening.


It's a shame, really. Because what Rorschach says in that scene are likely my favorite in the entire novel. They are the essence of his character. I may have overlooked something, but I honestly hope those lines are preserved at least somewhere in the scene with Walter and Long.

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 Post subject: Re: WATCHMEN TRANSFORMED
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Thank you greatly, TG, for providing us with these details. It's genuinely curtailed a few of the fears I had with the movie. I am curious to know if Manhattan and Adrian share their final moment where "nothing ever ends" and Manhattan goes off to make his own life.

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It's a shame, really. Because what Rorschach says in that scene are likely my favorite in the entire novel. They are the essence of his character. I may have overlooked something, but I honestly hope those lines are preserved at least somewhere in the scene with Walter and Long.


Some of the lines are intact. Some of them aren't. In my mind, the most important of them are. The big, long, fire and brimstone monologue about human fat and hellborn humanity us being alone is not in the script.

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Thank you greatly, TG, for providing us with these details. It's genuinely curtailed a few of the fears I had with the movie. I am curious to know if Manhattan and Adrian share their final moment where "nothing ever ends" and Manhattan goes off to make his own life.


You're welcome. Yes, that is pretty intact in the script, down to the dialogue about leaving the galaxy for one less complicated, understanding without condeming and condoing, and Jon planning to create human life.


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Looking at the Summary...Is the line "I'm not locked up in here with you..." still present somehow in the time during which Rorschach is in prison? I hope it wasn't cut among other lines since it's my favorite line in the book.

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Yep, that's intact.


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The Guard wrote:
Some of the lines are intact. Some of them aren't. In my mind, the most important of them are. The big, long, fire and brimstone monologue about human fat and hellborn humanity us being alone is not in the script.



WHOA! FLAG ON THE PLAY.

I love this part in the GN... and was not worried about its transition until you said this. What exactly does Rorschach say, then?

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Most of where he starts monologuing in the novel. The bit about "It is not God who kills the children, etc" is there. I missed it, too. I would imagine this is one of those things Snyder and his actors will seek to add back in, despite it not being in the script.


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Yep, that's intact.

:mrgreen:

Shame about the fire and brimstone monologue being axed along with the burning house.

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Dear God (or lack thereof)... they better.
That's one of my favorite moments.

Not to be a Hayter hater, but...


It is not God that ruins the Watchmen script, not destiny that changes Silk Spectre's name to Slingshot, or fate that removes the vagina squid and feeds it to the dogs. It's Hayter. Only Hater.

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What's the point of the Rumrunner leap if he doesn't burn the house during the birth of Rorschach?

When Rorschach was born he did not directly kill the rapist, he set the place on fire and gave him a chance to survive that involved sacrifice (cutting his own arm). He stood there and waited. The guy never came out.

When Rorschach is caught, he accidentally burns the house, he had a chance to survive that involved sacrifice (jumping out of the window). Everyone stood there and waited. He jumped out.

Chapter 5 is called Fearful Symmetry for a reason. The birth of Rorschach makes no sense if it's not left intact. I can also bet that Rorschach won't have two voices in the movie. He's supposed to have a regular voice when he was 'soft' and teamed up with Dan, also when he doesn't have the mask on. He's supposed to use the Rorschach voice only after the birth of Rorschach with the dog slaying and what not.

Mad Magazine was right with in Blotchmen, they just don't get the source material.

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keep in mind we don't know what Zach changed or what the actors proposed


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 Post subject: Re: WATCHMEN TRANSFORMED
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Thank you (The) Guard for the point-by-point and the further answers about the screenplay. I also very much enjoyed seeing the skittish freak out about Ozy dying even though time and time again it's been mentioned that he lives.

I'm very interested to see what has been added in - you have to think that the Rorschach "finding his face" section is put in. What's more "awesome" than that (sewing!!!).

Also, to answer the reference question that no one's talked about, I'm guessing it's Opie and Anthony. Hopefully I get bonus points.


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What's the point of the Rumrunner leap if he doesn't burn the house during the birth of Rorschach?

When Rorschach was born he did not directly kill the rapist, he set the place on fire and gave him a chance to survive that involved sacrifice (cutting his own arm). He stood there and waited. The guy never came out.

When Rorschach is caught, he accidentally burns the house, he had a chance to survive that involved sacrifice (jumping out of the window). Everyone stood there and waited. He jumped out.

Chapter 5 is called Fearful Symmetry for a reason. The birth of Rorschach makes no sense if it's not left intact. I can also bet that Rorschach won't have two voices in the movie. He's supposed to have a regular voice when he was 'soft' and teamed up with Dan, also when he doesn't have the mask on. He's supposed to use the Rorschach voice only after the birth of Rorschach with the dog slaying and what not.

Mad Magazine was right with in Blotchmen, they just don't get the source material.



Actually digging back at some youtube video...I think the house burning MIGHT've made it in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=875Wx6A1S3c In the youtube link provided, it's the Watchmen panel from Comic-con 08. Around 5:40, Snyder brings out something like Watchmen and Saw are dark movies but that Watchmen is dark for different reasons and mentions that "people get their arms cut off in our movie too" and that it happens "for moral reasons."

I'm thinking he's referring to the scene but it could be something different. I'm not sure what else fits in some arm-sawing in the book.

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Actually digging back at some youtube video...I think the house burning MIGHT've made it in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=875Wx6A1S3c In the youtube link provided, it's the Watchmen panel from Comic-con 08. Around 5:40, Snyder brings out something like Watchmen and Saw are dark movies but that Watchmen is dark for different reasons and mentions that "people get their arms cut off in our movie too" and that it happens "for moral reasons."

I'm thinking he's referring to the scene but it could be something different. I'm not sure what else fits in some arm-sawing in the book.


Zack was referring to the scene where Big Figure's henchman is killed in jail. He's replacing the shiv in the neck with a chainsaw to the arms.


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vdtdcutd5145 wrote:
Actually digging back at some youtube video...I think the house burning MIGHT've made it in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=875Wx6A1S3c In the youtube link provided, it's the Watchmen panel from Comic-con 08. Around 5:40, Snyder brings out something like Watchmen and Saw are dark movies but that Watchmen is dark for different reasons and mentions that "people get their arms cut off in our movie too" and that it happens "for moral reasons."

I'm thinking he's referring to the scene but it could be something different. I'm not sure what else fits in some arm-sawing in the book.


Zack was referring to the scene where Big Figure's henchman is killed in jail. He's replacing the shiv in the neck with a chainsaw to the arms.


Really? Never heard about that change before. Talk about overkill (c wut i did thur? ;) )

But back to point...Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that Snyder tried keeping that scene intact but I'm not too hopeful :|

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Really? Never heard about that change before. Talk about overkill


I know, right? Juvenile gore replaces the book's more grounded Scorsese violence.


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does'nt rorshach cut a guys arms off in prison in book


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Really? Never heard about that change before. Talk about overkill


I know, right? Juvenile gore replaces the book's more grounded Scorsese violence.


Juvenile? Maybe. I'd put it as going more the Hostel route.
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Oh, and For the record, that movie was stupid overhyped torture porn.

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