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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:08 pm 
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And I also think a lot of people are going to miss out on this movie due to lack of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXZVheNsyQ8

TheYoungTurks, a relatively popular Youtube channel made a very poor analysis of the Watchmen trailer, without even doing research or showing interest on what it's about, all the while making very vague assumptions.

This got me thinking, if a respected Youtube channel doesn't wanna Google watchmen to find out what it's about, half these people who saw the trailer in theaters are going to think "Gee, this looks fucking stupid. Is that a batman ripoff? What's that smiley thing" but never actually look further into it.

Of course, I'm just drawing conclusions myself.

Regardless, the video pissed me off. I'm not going to blame someone for not knowing what Watchmen is, but to sit there and do an analysis of it without doing a bit of research (as I said in the comments, the guy had a fuckin' laptop right next to him!) is ridiculous.

For those who don't feel like sitting through it, lemme summarize what was said for you:

1. STAR TREK IS KEWL
2. WHAT'S WITH THAT HAPPY FACE? THAT DOESN'T FIT THE MOOD AND IT LOOKS UNCOOL
3. STAR TREK IS KEWL
4. OKAY SO THIS IS BASICALLY ABOUT A BUNCH OF RETIRED SUPERHEROS WHO DONT HAVE POWERS ANYMORE WHO GO TO A BLUE NAKED GUY FOR HELP BECAUSE HE STILL HAS SUPERPOWERS AND THEY'RE GETTING KILLED
5. I LIKE THE PART WHERE HE SAYS "THE WORLD WILL SAY SAVE US AND ILL BE LIKE NO"
6. WHATS UP WITH BATMAN WANNABE?
7. STAR TREK. HEH.

EDIT: *Weird, it cut off my title at the end even though it gave me enough space to type it all. Apologies, the thread title is not a typo.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:31 pm 
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Well, I see that TheYoungTurks don't seem very popular as far as the comments go.

I really don't see the point of reviewing something you know nothing about - it just makes them look quite stupid. They seem to be floundering with everything of note in the trailer. If they had been just a tad smarter they could have tried reading the source material so they didn't look like they were talking out of their arse's.

I'll be honest, it's the first time I've heard of 'TheYoungTurds' and if any of their other ramblings are like this I'm struggling to understand why they're so popular.

Besides which, there seems to be plenty of people who are are getting to know Watchmen...just no one on this particular channel.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm 
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Well, I'm thinking a lot of people were impressed by the trailers since sales of the graphic novel went through the roof recently.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:35 pm 
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The trailer's job should be to make people say "What is this, this looks unique enough that I want to see it".

If people aren't intrigued by the basic concepts shown clearly in the trailer, they probably won't be intrigued regardless.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:38 pm 
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The trailers definitely provoked people to buy the GN. So it succeeded.

Usually the YT are right, but this time they should have done more research on the topic before talking shit.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:40 pm 
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Well, I see that TheYoungTurks don't seem very popular as far as the comments go.

I really don't see the point of reviewing something you know nothing about - it just makes them look quite stupid. They seem to be floundering with everything of note in the trailer. If they had been just a tad smarter they could have tried reading the source material so they didn't look like they were talking out of their arse's.

I'll be honest, it's the first time I've heard of 'TheYoungTurds' and if any of their other ramblings are like this I'm struggling to understand why they're so popular.

Besides which, there seems to be plenty of people who are are getting to know Watchmen...just no one on this particular channel.



Eh, for some reason it doesn't seem like it to me.

No one I've run into seems to have heard of watchmen except small group of people who I've introduced it to. And I said their Youtube channel was "popular" (meaning a lot of viewers), not "high quality". ;)


I just hope people take the time out of their lives to look at such an amazing piece of fiction.

I'm actually trying to get my Psychology teacher and English teacher to read it and convince them to work it into the curriculum. Much more interesting than standardized booklets filled with cut and paste activities.

But yeah, I think Watchmen is one of those things you just don't talk about unless you're at least somewhat informed on it.

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Eh, for some reason it doesn't seem like it to me.

No one I've run into seems to have heard of watchmen except small group of people who I've introduced it to. And I said their Youtube channel was "popular" (meaning a lot of viewers), not "high quality". ;)


From the couple of pages of comments I read the phrases 'talkling out of your ass' and 'you're an idiot trekkie' was used. I certainly wouldn't worry about the general public not understanding this film. As previous posters have stated, the GN has increased in popularity so there are people out there who are willing to expand their understanding and not just their egos for their fifteen minutes of fame on t'internet.

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I just hope people take the time out of their lives to look at such an amazing piece of fiction.

I'm actually trying to get my Psychology teacher and English teacher to read it and convince them to work it into the curriculum. Much more interesting than standardized booklets filled with cut and paste activities.


I think that's an excellent idea and why not? It's something that will increase in popularity and engage interest.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:05 pm 
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Well, this is more or less my biggest fears concretized.

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The real problem I have with this "general audience-oriented trailer" is that, when I try to watch it from the p.o.v. of an average, uninformed moviegoer, I just see a story of a group of superhero (just more realistic than average) who reunites after the death of one of them.
I mean, where the hell is all the deconstruction? The pathetic look at the "superheroes"? All the ridiculing?
Maybe this side of the story isn't absent from the film, but it actually is, from this trailer. I think it's important to make the audience get to that point from the very beginning. Watchmen is the exact opposite of a normal Superhero comic/movie. it's DECONSTRUCTION. It can and it MUST appeal even people who are "Superheroes? that's shit for kids"


now, I really really hope this guy is NOT any indication of the general audience mood about the Watchmen movie, but I keep thinking that trailer did its work wrong.
So, one who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the GN, just thinks "ok, this is the same ol' superhero shit... and WatchWHAT? what is it? a stupid Batman ripoff? How can they just say this is FAMOUS? And this... smiley thing? uncool"

Where the hell is all the deconstrucion? the seriousness? I mean, where the hell did the trailers SHOW the extreme difference between Watchmen and regular comic books? Watchmen... *sighs* was supposed to be the Citizen Kane of comic book movie, and here we are, listening to someone who complains about things being uncool. In a freakin' super-hero movie. Same ol' superhero shit.

The main mistake is to assume Watchmen is a regular comic book. y'know. funny books for kids.
"Who's the bad guy?"
bingo.
And if I'd have gone there and I'd answered that guy "you see, Watchmen is a very, very serious thing. It has no real bad guy, no real hero. It's very adult. It tries to deconstruct the classic image of superhero. in fact, Watchmen "heroes" are more or less average men with serious personality and morality disorders. And the smiley is a subtle and profound symbolism who encompass perfectly the mood of the story". What would his reaction have been?

And WHERE is this 70 words concept in the trailers?

I really really hope the movie will do a good work. I really hope that guy, when he'll se the film, will change is mind and will GET the whole point of that movie.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:12 pm 
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Pagliacci wrote:
a respected Youtube channel


Is this not an oxymoron?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:34 pm 
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There seems to be some kind of balance trying to be achieved in the trailers. There is a lot of action shots, not much dialogue and the dialogue there is terse and to the point and leaves questions that hopefully the viewer will ask. All it needs to do is grab attention in any way that it can. Let's face it, how do you tell the story of Watchmen in a 2 minute trailer?

There are a lot of people out there who are buying into the imagery and finding out more, or those that think it looks cool and is worth a watch. Interest will grow. Word of mouth is a powerful advertising source here, but certainly not the only one. There will be people out there who don't 'get it' or it might not simply be to their taste, but I really, really don't see this example as an indicator of general consensus. I saw The...Turks lauching a very silly conceived exploration of something that is on face value, a trailer that is trying to draw interest not just from the informed. That doesn't mean that everyone who sees it thinks 'Hey, smiley badge- so eighties...where's Spock? Where's my kleenex?'

Just because some moron decides to reveal their opinion to the world does not mean it'll be taken on board with a salute and collective 'Hallelujah! from the masses'

Thick as shit, and just as runny - there are plenty of 'em out there and I intend to listen to absolutely none of them unless it's to complain about how runny they are.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:44 pm 
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This is, unfortunately, a tough problem to solve. Watchmen fans know that an action-packed "cool superheroes" trailer is the exact opposite of the spirit of the book, but if you were to make a trailer specifically highlighting Watchmen's deconstructionist aspects, it's likely it wouldn't appeal to anyone but fans of the book and a more open-minded adult audience. They have to strike the right balance between action and what the movie is really about, and they made a valiant - if not entirely successful - attempt with this last trailer. In any case, I think people who don't have at least a passing acquaintance with the subject matter before writing an analysis of the trailer should just be ignored.

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Ominick wrote:
This is, unfortunately, a tough problem to solve. Watchmen fans know that an action-packed "cool superheroes" trailer is the exact opposite of the spirit of the book, but if you were to make a trailer specifically highlighting Watchmen's deconstructionist aspects, it's likely it wouldn't appeal to anyone but fans of the book and a more open-minded adult audience.


Yeah, that's my point. the target is wrong. Watchmen is a book for open-minded adult so why make it look like differently? Ok, maybe i'm just being pessimistic here.
I'm not a pro, and I'm just 20, but I love Watchmen and since I first read it, I introduced it to a bunch of friends, relatives, friends of friends and strangers (and the vast majority of them now loves it too). They are often people who never read a comic book, or at least a superhero comic book in their lives. And the very first thing I try to introduce is the adult, mature, deconstructionist side of the work. The symbolism, the details, the fact I read it, like, 12 times and I keep finding out new things...

Now, I'm very excited about this movie and I know I'm gonna enjoy it regardless of the squid or stuffs. I just wish Watchmen was presented as something revolutionary and very deep instead of some more-than-average superhero movie.

However, the trailers are actually good -very good- to someone who at least has the patience to check just the INTRODUCTION of the Wikipedia article about Watchmen. What I hope is that not always people are like that Turks guy.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:07 pm 
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everyone ive shown the trailer to thinks it looks like it will be a really good movie. people that have no interest whatsoever in graphic novels or alan moore. non nerds.

the first trailer was for us, the new one is for them, and the third one should be a healthy mix of column a and column b.

so whatever to this topic.

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Broken Finger wrote:
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a respected Youtube channel


Is this not an oxymoron?

To me, this is the whole issue in a nutshell.

In my mind, YouTube is just a cesspool of internet users who are free to act like idiots under the veil of anonymity, provided they don't get caught posting copyrighted material or porn. If some guy wants to get in front of his webcam and rant about the Watchmen trailer, that's his privilege; just don't be surprised or offended if I don't care.

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I love how this guy takes the time to make a video of this, but can't find five seconds to look up Watchmen on Wikipedia. Way to make an idiot out of yourself.

Nonetheless, it is inevitable that there are going to be more people like him, who aren't interested in what is starting to look like "just another superhero movie". To non-fans seeing the trailer for the first time, the first thing they are seeing is a glowing blue guy with powers, a hot chick in spandex, a guy who looks like Batman, and a guy who sounds like Batman. Oh, and somebody dies, so it is now a hardcore superhero movie.

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From the couple of pages of comments I read the phrases 'talkling out of your ass' and 'you're an idiot trekkie' was used. I certainly wouldn't worry about the general public not understanding this film.

But the comments are mostly from people who are already fans of the book, not a general audience.

However, it is still a long time before the movie's release, so hopefully, hype will build and people will have a better understanding of the story from future trailers and TV spots. Sales of the GN are already an indicator that the trailers have already brought in new fans and sparked people's interest. I wouldn't use this one guy's trailer "review" to judge what the entire general audience thought.


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Nothing else is being hyped as much as Watchmen right now. Bookstores are bringing racks of the GN out to the front of their stores, it's being plastered all over movie-oriented websites, and making the top of everyone's "Most Anticipated" lists. The only other comparable event film like this is Star Trek, and enthusiasm for that is nowhere near Watchmen. The Dark Knight has piqued the interest of mainstream culture, and they're looking for more of these kinds of stories, whether we hardcore fans in our little bubble see it or not.

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The first trailer sucked me right into the franchise. I had never heard of it, but I thought it looked cool enough to look it up. So that night I googled it and bought the book. I know at least a dozen people that were intrigued by it, but not until this last trailer came out did they actually want to see it. My dad watched it and he said it looks really good and he said the story sounds good. Even if the movie sucks (which it wont ), it will bring attention to the book and more people will have experienced it than would have with no movie.

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Ironically, the trailer did not suck me into the franchise at all. It was my friend who did. We were all hanging out in his room doing our thing, one smoking and playing keyboard in the corner, me playing something on his PS3, and all of a sudden, he had his nerdgasm over this "Watchmen trailer".

I peered at it over his shoulder. Wasn't impressed, but it didn't look stupid either. He said it was based off of one of the best things he ever read, and that's what sparked my interest, because I have similar tastes in literature and shit like that.

Woke up next day. Went to Barnes and Nobles. Got Watchmen. Read the first chapter. Amazed. Finished it in a week and been obsessed ever since.

I then watched the trailer again once I was done with the GN and truly appreciated the trailer in all it's badass glory.

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it is getting big buzz i know this because i was watching Entertainment Tonight the other day and they introduced the new trailer i think thats pretty big and even described it briefly


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The other week I was at my friends apartment hanging out. On of my friends plans on reading Watchmen when he gets around to it. So I show him the second trailer. My other friend is there and he hadn't seen the trailer, and didn't know what Watchmen was, and the conversation while watching it went something like this:

The Comedian appears on screen, smoking his cigar.

Him: Robert Downey Jr! :lol:
Me: No, it's not Robert Downey Jr... :|
Him: Oh.

Nite Owl II drops from the sky,

Him: Batman?.
Me: No! :roll: (getting a little annoyed).

Laurie walks down staircase.

Me: You know she was in Harold and Kumar.
Him: Who, her?.
Me: Yes!.
Him: As who?.
Me: She was the blond chick who took her top off.
Him: Really?.
Me: Yes! :roll:

Rorschach appears standing on window sill.

Other Friend: Is his face bleeding?.
Me: No, his mask is a constantly changing ink blot.
Him: Why?.
Me: It just is. (feeling exasperated).

Smiley face badge.

Him: Is that their logo?.
Me:......no. :|

I instantly regret showing it to them.

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