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TVM, if you remember our political debate, what's wrong with being a "right-wing nutjob?"

DDC, or Curi, is there any way you can tells us how many new members to the forums we've gotten since the trailer?

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148 new members have joined us since July 17th.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

Holy number of people, Batman!...


Thank you Dark knight.

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Dan: What's happened to the American dream?
The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it. Now c'mon... let's really put these jokers through some changes.

HOLY CRAP!!! I didn't think it would be that many

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Hello, I am one of them!

I knew nothing about Watchmen going to see The Dark Knight, but about halfway through the trailer I knew I had been missing out on something really awesome. Anyway, I fell in love

I know what you mean, I was only 2 years old when Watchmen first started coming out. If I were a teenager or in my early 20's back then I would have all 12 of those issues right now, no doubt.


It is, isn't it? There isn't a day that goes by that I don't gain an even deeper respect for this book. After reading it 4 times and when I thought I couldn't make any more sense of it a friend of mine will give me a different and new perspective on something from the book or someone on these forums will bring something up that I hadn't thought of or noticed before. It's like a gift that keeps on giving.

I would've loved to have been introduced to the books at the same time that the rest of the world was back in 1986 because I could only imagine how much more of an impact the story had back then on the people who read it for the first time. The Cold War was still a reality then and there were a lot of barriers that the book didn't break down yet at the time of it's release. Reading it for the first time 3 years ago, the concept of a "dark", "adult oriented" comic book wasn't anything new to me. It would've been nice to experience that revolution along with the rest of the comic book fans of that time.

Even though I feel like I "missed the boat" in that regard it doesn't make the book any less enjoyable for me to read.

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"We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan." ~ Prof. Milton Glass - DR. MANHATTAN, SUPER-POWERS AND THE SUPERPOWERS

Exactly. I'm just so happy it still resonates today.

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Dan: What's happened to the American dream?
The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it. Now c'mon... let's really put these jokers through some changes.

In light of ShadowofManhattan's remark...

I read the book when it first came out in 86-87. I'd discovered Alan Moore's run on Captain Britain on a childhood trip to England, and was absolutely stunned at the intensity of his writing (and at the character of Alan Davis's art, which was quite different from any American artists but really appealing). I was already reading Swamp Thing when Moore took it over; by the time Watchmen started appearing on the stands ST had been appearing for about three years, and I may have already written a letter about John Constantine to the ST letter column. So I was a slavering Mooreophile: I knew Watchmen would be good.

Reading the issues as they came out, I had no idea that Rorschach was the guy carrying the sign: it took me a few moments even after seeing the unmasking to connect the two of them. I had no idea that Veidt was the Comedian's murderer, and was actually slightly disappointed when Dan said, "I think it's Adrian." Watchmen seemed so determined to break with convention that it seemed a conservative gesture to make Veidt the mastermind. I was expecting something more radical, and was at first a little deflated that I was reading a relatively conventional mystery where one of the main characters was the perpetrator. (I was back on board as of Chapter XI, so the funk lasted about ten pages.) And even though that stuff was passing me by or taking me by surprise, I was still poring over the individual issues: it was torture waiting for Chapter XII to come out, because it was about two weeks late. Either during or shortly after the run - at any rate when you could start to see the thing entire - I had a raging debate with an acquaintance about whether or not Tales of the Black Freighter was filler. And when the collected issues came out in a trade paperback I was forcing it on my English professors (one of whom actually read it; he was polite about it, but didn't particularly like it - the boor).

There was no question that it was a literary event of some kind. I remember being bowled over when Time Magazine ran a story about it that mentioned the movie plans and said something positive about the complexity of the series: I don't think at that point I'd ever seen a "respectable" magazine write something that gave comics the time of day.

Still, there's a general conviction that Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns invented adult comics, and that before it was all kids' stuff. It's not really true: there was a lot of stuff out there that was directed to older readers, including Moore's Swamp Thing run. In that respect, Miller's Ronin more than Watchmen or The Dark Knight Returns felt like a big leap forward, but only because I was in junior high when it came out. And Camelot 3000 seemed important in the early 80s, because among other things Barr and Bolland had two women passionately kiss, which blew my little heteronormative brain away (and even though they were cheating a little, since one of the women was a former man, reincarnated). By the mid 1980s, RAW and Love and Rockets were both readily available in comic stores; Harvey Pekar was complaining in the Comics Journal about Maus's representation of the Poles as pigs; and there was something in the air. So Watchmen and DKR were part of a general phenomenon; the notion that they emerged out of the ether and between the two of them transformed the world of comics is at best a partial truth.

And the topicality of Watchmen - its relation to the Cold War - didn't make that great an impression on me, because by 1987 Gorbachev was already talking about perestroika and glasnost: had I been a bit older, or had Watchmen appeared a few years before, it would have had more impact in that respect. What seemed topical then - and prophetic in retrospect - is Veidt's declaration about the "end of history," and Manhattan's rebuke. We were already, as I remember it, emerging into the post-Cold War moment of extravagant optimism - my world, anyway, felt more like the sunny NYC of the last pages of Ch XII - so the cautionary note at the end of Watchmen seemed particularly important. And when Fukuyama published The End of History in 1989, I was channeling Moore and saying, "Not bloody likely, Mr. Veidt."

yea am new to but my dad read it back in the day he had the 12 seprated copys he has the locked in a vault in D.R. n says i can get them when he dies

he bought me my first wacthmen novel when i was 8 i read it thaugth ti was intresting didnt understand it n didnt read the ending

ended up loseing the copy read it again at age 12 didnt read the whole thing got the story a little better now

age 14 read it twice bought my own copy i got the new one though dont like it but am keeping it

saveing up for the absolute editon caus eme dad says if i want to be a true fan buy it myself like i did with the one i have now

so bye

~STAone brooklyn vandal~

Sorry, but I've never heard of the Absikute edition. Which one is that?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

lol srry typo my ligths r out n i cant rlly see that well

Looks like your lights are out all right.

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Ba-dum tsh.

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Hey, guys, after seeing TDK four times I finally decided to find out what the trailer they were showing before it was about. I bought Watchmen at Borders and put off reading it for a week.. and then yesterday I read it (to many "why are you reading a comic book, ashley?") all in one day!

I'm glad I found this place, most of the communities on livejournal pretty much fail in comparison.

Yeah, before I found this site, I was on a group on Facebook... yeah.

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MySpace is lame in this area too...


But Welcome pseudoash!!

(psst, I've seen TDK 3 times. )

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Dan: What's happened to the American dream?
The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it. Now c'mon... let's really put these jokers through some changes.

Am I the only one around here who hasn't seen TDK yet?

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... Hmmm. I guess so. It's a mighty fine piece of work. Well it has be to viewed just for Heath preformance alone. But I hate how there's so much talk about it. Makes it so people don't want to see it. Why haven't you seen it yet? Waiting for the lines to die down?

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Dan: What's happened to the American dream?
The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it. Now c'mon... let's really put these jokers through some changes.

Cheeky.

If I were to see it, it would be in a cinema. Or on DVD, when that comes out. I recken it's worth the wait. I've seen Ledger in a few movies. Great presence. Shame his career ended so soon.

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I just reazlied you were in Stockholm. Did it just come out there? He has an amazing presence in this. It's a great last performance for him. Very memorable.

Well last performance unless they finish The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. Which I guess is in post-production.

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Dan: What's happened to the American dream?
The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it. Now c'mon... let's really put these jokers through some changes.