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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:39 am 
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He's Asexual.


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Besides, once he hit sexual maturity, he was slowly getting wrapped up in his costumed persona, and any kind of relationship would be a distraction.


And a weakness... A relationship is a sure way to get at a comic-book hero. You put the partner in danger and "whammy", you can distract and cause mayhem.

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Ninjet wrote:
He's Asexual.

I can appreciate this point of view, but I think it's too passive. We are immediately introduced to Rorschach as one who HATES sex, not just as one who is apathetic toward it. From Chapter I page 1, from his journal: ..."The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!" ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

For him, sex is the equivalent of murder. He figuratively is above it all.

I believe the proper term for Walter as antisexual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisexualism

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:13 am 
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Burgers N Borscht wrote:
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He's Asexual.

I can appreciate this point of view, but I think it's too passive. We are immediately introduced to Rorschach as one who HATES sex, not just as one who is apathetic toward it. From Chapter I page 1, from his journal: ..."The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!" ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

For him, sex is the equivalent of murder. He figuratively is above it all.

I believe the proper term for Walter as antisexual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisexualism

I haven't heard about antisexualism before but that makes sense.


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I would agree that from what we know, it's likely to assume that Rorschach is antisexual.

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Ninjet wrote:
Burgers N Borscht wrote:

I haven't heard about antisexualism before but that makes sense.

Me neither, but I concur. As BnB said earlier in this thread:

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For Rorschach, there is good, and there is evil. Guess which side sex is going to fall on?

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He holds Dan's hand that long because it is really the only sign of affaction he revieces in the entire novel. He (as many already said) has no sex-drive. He likes neither men nor women. He is busy with his work and his childhood could also help with his dislike of realtionships of a man and a woman.

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Very interesting thread, I will stand by the antisexual argument, so far it seems to fit the most and makes the most sense.

As long as I'm here, I'll add my own small tidbit. When most people refer to the "awkward handshake" they describe it as "Rorschach held on for too long" but I see it as the other way around. Daniel does a similar thing with Laurie earlier on. I believe it's Dan that doesn't let go right away, possibly because he's glad that things are finally more or less patched up between them after such a long time. Or something like that.

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As long as I'm here, I'll add my own small tidbit. When most people refer to the "awkward handshake" they describe it as "Rorschach held on for too long" but I see it as the other way around. Daniel does a similar thing with Laurie earlier on. I believe it's Dan that doesn't let go right away, possibly because he's glad that things are finally more or less patched up between them after such a long time. Or something like that.
Well, Daniel is rather socially awkward himself. Not as bad as Rorschach, of course, but there are many times when it's like he doesn't know how to act or what to say in social situations.

Just seconds before the handshake, Dan was going through a rather emotional outburst. Rorschach apologized, they shook on it. In that moment, Dan could've been thinking "Now what?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:32 am 
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BunnyCritters wrote:
As long as I'm here, I'll add my own small tidbit. When most people refer to the "awkward handshake" they describe it as "Rorschach held on for too long" but I see it as the other way around. Daniel does a similar thing with Laurie earlier on. I believe it's Dan that doesn't let go right away, possibly because he's glad that things are finally more or less patched up between them after such a long time. Or something like that.

I've noticed that too but still Dan's handshake with Rorschach was different.

(Chapter 7, page 5 & 6)
Dan's and Laurie's handshake wasn't really a handshake. Dan helped Laurie to board his ship by holding her hand. Dan just forgot to let go and Laurie had to mention about it: "Dan I'm safely on board. You can let go of my hand now".

(Chapther 10, page 10 & 11)
Rorschach was the first one who offered his hand to Dan. Dan grabbed Rorschach's hand with his both hands tightly.

The only thing what bothers me about Dan's and Rorschach's handshake is that Rorschach looks uncomfortable and holds his hands up after Dan has pulled his hand out from Rorschach's grip and Rorschach has turned his back. In my opinion Rorschach was embarrassed about the handshake but I'm not sure.


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Ninjet wrote:
The only thing what bothers me about Dan's and Rorschach's handshake is that Rorschach looks uncomfortable and holds his hands up after Dan has pulled his hand out from Rorschach's grip and Rorschach has turned his back. In my opinion Rorschach was embarrassed about the handshake but I'm not sure.

It's worth taking a look at those two pages again (X:10,11), particularly X:11:3 I don't ever recall seeing as big a smile on Rorschach's blotted face than in that panel. I could interpret this as Walter being so happy that he has shared an emotional moment with his only friend in the world. He tightens his coat, holding his hand over his heart, feeling a cozy, happy, heart-felt moment.

That, or he just popped a boner, hides his happiness from Dan, and tightens up his coat to try to cover up Mr. Stiffy. Hurmm.

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Oh, no, pals. Please. Rorschach is not antisexual. Nope.

He has nothing against sex. He is really worried about humankind and it's future, he is almost a humanist. His crusade is against perversion, decadency and degradation. He has nothing againt reproduction or normal sex.

Rorschach has no time for sex, he sublimates sexual interest or lost his sexual appetite. After all, he knows he is sick and ugly. He could have sex via rape or paid sex, but I guess he doesn't approve this methods, since it's highly connected with degradation.

He is very like V, asexual, however not antisexual.


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Burgers N Borscht wrote:
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The only thing what bothers me about Dan's and Rorschach's handshake is that Rorschach looks uncomfortable and holds his hands up after Dan has pulled his hand out from Rorschach's grip and Rorschach has turned his back. In my opinion Rorschach was embarrassed about the handshake but I'm not sure.

It's worth taking a look at those two pages again (X:10,11), particularly X:11:3 I don't ever recall seeing as big a smile on Rorschach's blotted face than in that panel. I could interpret this as Walter being so happy that he has shared an emotional moment with his only friend in the world. He tightens his coat, holding his hand over his heart, feeling a cozy, happy, heart-felt moment.

That, or he just popped a boner, hides his happiness from Dan, and tightens up his coat to try to cover up Mr. Stiffy. Hurmm.

Well now when I looked a bit closer yes I think I can see a big smile on Rorschach's face. :) I just misunderstanded Rorschach's behaviour.


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Oh, no, pals. Please. Rorschach is not antisexual. Nope.

He has nothing against sex. He is really worried about humankind and it's future, he is almost a humanist. His crusade is against perversion, decadency and degradation. He has nothing againt reproduction or normal sex.

Rorschach has no time for sex, he sublimates sexual interest or lost his sexual appetite. After all, he knows he is sick and ugly. He could have sex via rape or paid sex, but I guess he doesn't approve this methods, since it's highly connected with degradation.

He is very like V, asexual, however not antisexual.



Good argument! I completely forgot about sex to reproduce, ha! I guess I have to say that ASEXUAL makes more sense.

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I don't think Rorschach recognizes the existence of 'pure' sexual relations at all (as noted by his famous 'Coke bottle' line), so I'd still agree that he's antisexual.

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Gourmet wrote:
He has nothing againt reproduction or normal sex.

Normal? Normal?

OK... shoot. What comprises "normal sex?"

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He is very like V, asexual, however not antisexual.

V is asexual? Hurm. Don't recall getting that impression. Please elaborate. My impression of V was that his sexuality was as mysterious as his face... Doesn't mean he doesn't
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V strove to be a symbol of tolerance, so he didn't reveal his biases, yeah.

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Vynson wrote:
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He has nothing againt reproduction or normal sex.

Normal? Normal?

OK... shoot. What comprises "normal sex?"


I mean 'normal sex' as opposite to the paraphilias.

Vynson wrote:
Gourmet wrote:
He is very like V, asexual, however not antisexual.

V is asexual? Hurm. Don't recall getting that impression. Please elaborate. My impression of V was that his sexuality was as mysterious as his face... Doesn't mean he doesn't have a face.


Concerning V, I agree with you. We can't say V is asexual.


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Gourmet wrote:
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He has nothing againt reproduction or normal sex.

Normal? Normal?

OK... shoot. What comprises "normal sex?"


I mean 'normal sex' as opposite to the paraphilias.

Paraphilia... that's funny.

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Paraphilia... that's funny.

What is that? A fetish for airplane safety devices?

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