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I agree that there is no way it could be. But I don't see that as a legitimate excuse for including it. There's no way it can be seamlessly integrated, so the obvious solution is to not include it in the movie. Snyder knew this, and that's why his cut of the film doesn't include TBF.

I admire the effort. I admire trying something very risky and unconventional. But it didn't work. And never could.

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I totally think it works. Just not as well as the book. But the movie itself doesn't work as well as the book.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

^ Yep, that's where we disagree. Both the DC and the UC are obviously completely inferior to the graphic novel. But I think the DC stands alone as a great movie, and the UC stand alone as poor story-telling.

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Really looking forward to this now. I'll get the Directors Cut Blu-Ray for Christmas, then I'll buy a copy of the Ultimate Cut on import.

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I laughed out loud when the second to last Freighter segment was playing and at the end of it, Laurie goes, "can't you just tell me how this ends?" Classic.

^ Not nearly as classic as showing the journal while she says that line.

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I liked it at the end of the TBF segment more. I actually never quite noticed that line in the normal cut (DC). It actually makes a lot more sense during TBF, since that isn't over, while Rorschach's journal was already completed.

quick question: during BF segments, do we hear voiceovers and see the bernies discussing whatever? or is it just straight out play bf clip here? i'm too lazy to read any previous posts right now.

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Nope. They just straight out play the TotBF clips.

In that way, Black Freighter isn't really integrated into the movie so much as it's crammed in there. A missed opportunity, really.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

well i will most likely now enjoy the UC less than i thought.

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I like that subtlety. It's something people probably don't catch upon first viewing. The journal in the mail basket is the last shot in the movie, so there is a lot of irony in that line being said over that image.

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Totally with you on this one.

The way TBF is used in the UC bears very little resemblance to the way it's used in the book.

As a fan of the book...
- The UC is very exciting, because it got made at all. It's cool to see someone attempt it.
- At the same time, it's frustrating, because it doesn't capture the essence of how TBF is used in the book at all.
- But then again, I don't think a good adaptation is possible in this area. That's the reason TBF is so cool in the book. It could only work in a graphic novel.

So it's all these different conflicting feelings for me.

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I pretty much think that the Ultimate Cut is the best thing since sliced bread.

Though I've never tried bread myself. I hear it's good.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I really wish the Bernie scenes had been in the Director's Cut, but not the Black Freighter stuff. The first time I watched the Ultimate Cut I loved it because we finally some of the normal people, instead of focusing entirely on the Crimebusters, but during later viewings the Black Freighter parts got on my nerves. Like others have mentioned, the Black Freighter footage isn't well integrated into the movie, and it's so different from the comic's Black Freighter that it loses a lot of it's meaning. However, I really like getting to know the two Bernies, because it actually gives the destruction of New York feeling. You actually care about these two, and it makes it all the harder to justify Veidt's actions. With the Theatrical and Director's Cut, even though I know the Bernies from the comic, I didn't feel anything when they hug as they're incinerated by the S.Q.U.I.D., but I finally felt something with the Ultimate Cut. If I had the ability I'd make my own cut for personal use that tosses the Black Freighter stuff but keeps the Bernie scenes.

Can somebody detail the extra Bernies scenes that's in UC, but not in DC, please? I am also of the mind that it's lamentable that we didn't see more of them and the other civilians in the movie because it is (at least to my mind) just as much what the story is about as the heroes.

As for TBF, I have always seen it as equal to mood music for the comic and therefore completely unnecessary in the film.

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Always remember, it's your right to have a SUPER day.
If you're not, call me ... I'll have one for you!

We sure can.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

ha
Then would you, please? Or link me to where it has been done?

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If you're not, call me ... I'll have one for you!

Xman will look up and shout and I'll whisper...

Here you go.

In the first one, Roschach is in civilian clothes and he bugs Bernie about the new frontiersman. He doesn't talk or anything though. He just stands around.

In the next, Hollis Mason buys a copy of Time.

After Manhattan leaves, it shows a guy totally freaking out and telling Bernie that Manhattan left them. "He's gone.... He's gone!" *Cue Hall and Oates*

After Rorschach is arrested, it shows the headline with his mug shot on it. The Bernies acknowledge that he was the creepy guy who regularly visited the newsstand. Old Bernie brags to an indifferent buyer.

Knot tops make fun of Young Bernie for reading a comic book.

There's a nice moment when Old Bernie lets young Bernie have the comic for free after he sees the Soviets Invade Afghanistan headline.

Bernie finishes the comic, complains that it doesn't make any sense, the two converse about their similar names, and the bomb goes off in NY.

Everyone lives happily ever after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm4Hgv9RnPE

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Thanks for that, except the clip (ouch).

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Always remember, it's your right to have a SUPER day.
If you're not, call me ... I'll have one for you!

If I had the know how, I think I would make a Dr. Manhattan video set to Conan singing from that clip. It would start with the guy saying that Manhattan's gone and then just roll right into the song with Manhattan looking sad on Mars and elsewhere.

In my mind, this is a very funny thing.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."