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Do you think the bullet catch was necessary in the film?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:22 am 
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Of course the bullet catch had to be in the film! It's such a memorable moment in the book!

... But is that the only reason?

In context with the film, I feel like it was kind of an unnecessary distraction following the murder of 15 million people. What do you think?

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Yes. If his jump made it. Then the bullet catch has too.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:13 pm 
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I never really understood that part in the comic book.

Did Ozymandias REALLY caught a bullet ?

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Did Ozymandias REALLY caught a bullet ?

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Godziller66 wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
Did Ozymandias REALLY caught a bullet ?

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I think we can forgive him this time. For both reasons.

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Talk about being a snob.

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I voted yes, and for one simple reason: Laurie needs her chance to fail.

Rorschach and Nite Owl try to beat Adrian in hand-to-hand combat and talk Veidt out of his planned atrocities. They fail on both counts. Dr. Manhattan tries intimidation, but he's silenced by Veidt's logic before he can go past vague threats.

Every other main character took his chance to defeat Adrian. They all failed. There's no sense in leaving Silk Spectre out of that, nor is there any sense expecting her to succeed where her colleagues didn't. She couldn't possibly challenge Veidt in hand-to-hand combat, as it would be unrealistic and -- given Veidt's previous tussle with Rorschach and Nite Owl --repetitive. And she can't run from Karnak to report what she's seen, as that would defeat the point of the entire story.

The only other option open to Silk Spectre (as far as I can see) is for her to try and shoot Adrian. But Adrian can't die, because that would completely ruin the story's precious moral ambiguity. She couldn't fail due to body armor either, as that would prove nothing about Adrian's strength or intelligence beyond his foresight to make a costume out of bulletproof materials.

No, Laurie's participation in the climax had to unfold exactly as it did.

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Yeah the bullet catch itself should be in there... but the pacing of that entire scene always felt bizarre to me. The whole way Dr. Manhattan disintegrates and then it fades from white into the next scene just felt... off.

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Yeah the bullet catch itself should be in there... but the pacing of that entire scene always felt bizarre to me. The whole way Dr. Manhattan disintegrates and then it fades from white into the next scene just felt... off.

I agree with that.

So I guess I'll vote yes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:04 am 
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Yes, it is necessary.

In the GN my main interpretation of that scene was to emphasise how far out of their league Rorschach, NiteOwl II and SSII were. As previously mentioned, it also gives SSII her chance to ‘fail’. It hammers home how ‘amateur’ the others really are compared to Adrian.

It still works in this context in the film, but the impact is lessened somewhat by all the super-human fights leading up to it.

That said – ridiculous superhuman fighting aside – the exposition and fighting scene is done really well in the film, IMO. It highlights Adrian’s arrogance and just how insignificant his attackers are. That he can explain his plan while swatting away their attacks, without even breaking sweat speaks volumes about him and them.

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Also, doesn't Rorschach or Dan make some sort of quirk about Adrian being almost superhuman, and somewhere say something about catching bullets earlier in the movie?

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Of course the bullet catch should be there, but I don't care for the way it was shot. It looks like the bullet wasn't going anywhere NEAR Adrian, but he still reaches out and away from his body to catch it, and it seems to pull him down the stairs.

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As far as I'm concerned, Zack Snyder had carte blanche going into this movie with Veidt. Adrian Veidt is supposed to represent not only the pinnacle of human conditioning, but also physical perfection. I, personally, always likened him to Bruce Lee.

When I came across Bruce Lee and the many seemingly impossible feats he was capable of doing, my mind was blown. Watching him shattered any preconceived notions I had about our physical limits as human beings.

To me, Veidt not only achieved that rare level of human conditioning, but he surpassed it, effectively shattering the Watchmen world's notions about human limits.

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When I came across Bruce Lee and the many seemingly impossible feats he was capable of doing, my mind was blown. Watching him shattered any preconceived notions I had about our physical limits as human beings.


Like killing Chuck Norris?

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^ Can someone please make a website with Adrian Veidt jokes instead of Chuck Norris jokes?

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Yeah the bullet catch itself should be in there... but the pacing of that entire scene always felt bizarre to me. The whole way Dr. Manhattan disintegrates and then it fades from white into the next scene just felt... off.


Yeah, I agree. I was hoping the DC would fix that. There are many moments after the destruction of New York where the transitions feel clumsy.

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Okay, I meant to vote to say that it shouldhave been in the film, because I figured the poll question would be worded the same as the title of the thread, not the converse.

It was necessary to show how Adrian was unstoppable at that point. A gun is often times thought of a sure fire kill, and if even a gun can't kill Adrian, there was nothing more they could do. He had effectivly become a true superhuman.

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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
Okay, I meant to vote to say that it shouldhave been in the film, because I figured the poll question would be worded the same as the title of the thread, not the converse.

Don't you understand? The poll is a metaphor for life.

Never simple and barely making sense.

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Godziller66 wrote:
Don't you understand? The poll is a metaphor for life. Never simple and barely making sense.


Why, of course. That was my intention all along. But some people didn't understand that, and totally misinterpreted the poll. A big part of that was the marketing. The thread title indicated that the question would be worded one way. This was a total misrepresentation of my vision of the poll. Stupid marketing. I think audience expectations were false, and that's why they didn't understand this poll. On top of that, I think I have a reputation for wording polls a certain way, and that clouded audience' judgment.

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Godziller66 wrote:
Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
Okay, I meant to vote to say that it shouldhave been in the film, because I figured the poll question would be worded the same as the title of the thread, not the converse.

Don't you understand? The poll is a metaphor for life.

Never simple and barely making sense.


Sense, Godziller? Come on, I'm no Internet poster. Do you think I would really explain how to catch a bullet even if there remained the slightest flaw in you stopping me? I caught it 35 minutes ago....

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