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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:27 pm 
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I vote Brandon Routh for Superman, but Carla Gugino seems like a good pick.


Carla might be too old to act opposite Routh as a love interest.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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It warms my heart to see Snyder get one of the biggest franchises going. Richly deserved, and this marks the first time I've actually been interested in the character.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:15 pm 
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But the problem isn't Lex Luthor himself, it's been the handling of him in the movies, the character alone is probably one of the best villains that have ever existed in fictional media, there's nothing wrong with him, the real problem is that the directors don't tap on his hatred to Superman, the envy he has on the man of steel, and how hard bent he is on defeating him that he doesn't use his brilliant mind to solve every problem on Earth.


Now my turn to disagree, mon ami, I don't believe it's the handling it's his over use. imagine if the Joker were the villain of all the batman movies. people would be sick of the Joker. they could show different angles of him like The Killing Joke and death in a fmaily present two very different Jokers, but people would get bored with Batman simply beating on Joker every movie.

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He fights enemies from the real world, no one in real life is afraid of demon-goblins from Apokolips :|


And nobody in the real world will be saved by an Alien in a blue spandex suit with a red cape. Superman has never been about being realistic, no super hero has been. They've been about entertaining.

And by your logic the Predator and Alien movies are stupid because no one in real life is afraid of being hunted by a highly advanced hunter wth all sorts of technology at his disposal.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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Jon Hamm all the way for Supes.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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I want Nathan Fillion to play Supes

Seriously, I don't know who I want to don the cape

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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Now my turn to disagree, mon ami, I don't believe it's the handling it's his over use. imagine if the Joker were the villain of all the batman movies. people would be sick of the Joker. they could show different angles of him like The Killing Joke and death in a fmaily present two very different Jokers, but people would get bored with Batman simply beating on Joker every movie.


I can't speak for people in general, but by that logic people who read comics would've been sick of The Joker already, he's been around for decades and he is still one of the best villains ever created, I know that movies are a different issue, but I stand by my argument, I've yet to see a Superman movie where they have a great Lex Luthor.

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And nobody in the real world will be saved by an Alien in a blue spandex suit with a red cape. Superman has never been about being realistic, no super hero has been. They've been about entertaining.


That doesn't mean that entertainment can't be meaningful or relevant, some would even say that those two are requisites if anything, and that's exactly the problem with the modern Superman, that neither he nor many of his famous villains are relevant to the real world.

That's not to say that once in a while we can see Batman or Supes beating the shit out of Demon-goblins from Apokolips, it's fun, I know that, but if every time it's the same exact way, then it's NOT good.

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And by your logic the Predator and Alien movies are stupid because no one in real life is afraid of being hunted by a highly advanced hunter wth all sorts of technology at his disposal.


Notice how both the Alien and Predator, while not the most profound form of entertainment, are metaphors to many human fears, both characters and their respective movies are great not only because of the fear caused by the creatures themselves, but because of the sense of weakness, desperation and helplessnes (sp) that comes from those that want to hurt us, from those who are more "vicious" and "evil".

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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Notice how both the Alien and Predator, while not the most profound form of entertainment, are metaphors to many human fears, both characters and their respective movies are great not only because of the fear caused by the creatures themselves, but because of the sense of weakness, desperation and helplessnes (sp) that comes from those that want to hurt us, from those who are more "vicious" and "evil".


and superman is the exact opposite, he is a metaphor for hope and justice, and if any of his villains were dealt in a good metaphorical way, it would be a perfect match.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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Not sure how I feel about Snyder directing Superman. I guess I feel good. I don't think he'll be tempted to make the story too realistic. I'm also encouraged by the fact that he didn't want to make it initially but Nolan and Goyer's story won him over.

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This should be like a geek dream, Snyder and Nolan working together on a comic book movie. I don't really see how this can turn out bad. Should be cool.


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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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I found out earlier today and was pretty amped at the news.

I'm extremely curious to see Zack's take on Superman, especially with Nolan playing Godfather to the whole thing. It's interesting to look at how he handled Dr Manhattan in Watchmen and to hear that he landed the job as Director for The Man of Steel; as Doc Manhattan, in a way, is like a broken Superman.

I have no doubt that this movie will be visually amazing, it's Snyder we're talking about. I am curious though if the movie will have a more "realistic" look and feel to it, as that's something Nolan and Goyer said that they'll be aiming for.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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I'm extremely curious to see Zack's take on Superman, especially with Nolan playing Godfather to the whole thing. It's interesting to look at how he handled Dr Manhattan in Watchmen and to hear that he landed the job as Director for The Man of Steel; as Doc Manhattan, in a way, is like a broken Superman.

Very true. Further, DKR is the Znyder's dream project, so I'd hope to see at least a partially negative view of Supes like that. As with Captain America, I think this project needs to be brought into the 21st century by rigorously examining the ideological implications of the man.
If Goyer and Nolan's story does anything like that, it's no wonder they chose Snyder.

Oh, and while all the news reports on this naturally mention Snyder's speed ramping, with some citing it as a positive factor for action and some negative, it's worth pointing out that one of the most moving scenes (and in my opinion, probably the best) in Watchmen used the method to tremendous effect. I'm talking, of course, about the death of Hollis Mason.

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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Oh, and while all the news reports on this naturally mention Snyder's speed ramping, with some citing it as a positive factor for action and some negative, it's worth pointing out that one of the most moving scenes (and in my opinion, probably the best) in Watchmen used the method to tremendous effect. I'm talking, of course, about the death of Hollis Mason.


and was cut to fit the movie on IMAX reels :(

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I've heard that apparently Zod is the villain they are leaning towards

And for those that want super genius Luthor, how about a different genius? a certain Mr. Brainiac hasn't hit the big screen yet

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I've heard that apparently Zod is the villain they are leaning towards

And for those that want super genius Luthor, how about a different genius? a certain Mr. Brainiac hasn't hit the big screen yet


i was thinking about Luthor trying to harness brainiac but ultimately being used by brainiac all along.

i suppose Zod would be the best villain for laying down kryptonian back story etc, but we've seen him in the Reeves movies, L&C and Smallville, he's over done :(

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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I can't speak for people in general, but by that logic people who read comics would've been sick of The Joker already, he's been around for decades and he is still one of the best villains ever created, I know that movies are a different issue, but I stand by my argument, I've yet to see a Superman movie where they have a great Lex Luthor.


Wrong, my whole point is ONLY using one villain, there are so many other villains that when the joker is used it's most likely been a while since he was last used. He's not the villain in EVERY monthly issue.

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That's not to say that once in a while we can see Batman or Supes beating the shit out of Demon-goblins from Apokolips, it's fun, I know that, but if every time it's the same exact way, then it's NOT good.


But it hasn't been EVERYTIME, and besides, who's saying that they can't rework darkseid a bit? He's not as known as Luthor, so most the people won't know him anyway. Look at Whiplash in IM2, he was changed and melded with other characters, they can do the same thing here to make it different

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 Post subject: Re: The Next Superman
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feliciano182 wrote:
I can't speak for people in general, but by that logic people who read comics would've been sick of The Joker already, he's been around for decades and he is still one of the best villains ever created, I know that movies are a different issue, but I stand by my argument, I've yet to see a Superman movie where they have a great Lex Luthor.


Wrong, my whole point is ONLY using one villain, there are so many other villains that when the joker is used it's most likely been a while since he was last used. He's not the villain in EVERY monthly issue.

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That's not to say that once in a while we can see Batman or Supes beating the shit out of Demon-goblins from Apokolips, it's fun, I know that, but if every time it's the same exact way, then it's NOT good.


But it hasn't been EVERYTIME, and besides, who's saying that they can't rework darkseid a bit? He's not as known as Luthor, so most the people won't know him anyway. Look at Whiplash in IM2, he was changed and melded with other characters, they can do the same thing here to make it different


But there are only two live-action Iron Man films. Superman has five and Batman has seven (not including serials for any of the above mentioned series). They were also around longer (by about 25 years or something). What they should do is something like the Adam West Batman TV movie, have all the villains (or main ones) come together in a devious plot, it would be easier to tie into this supposed Justice League film, maybe a cameo or two.

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What they should do is something like the Adam West Batman TV movie, have all the villains (or main ones) come together in a devious plot, it would be easier to tie into this supposed Justice League film, maybe a cameo or two.

That sounds like a terrible idea.

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What they should do is something like the Adam West Batman TV movie, have all the villains (or main ones) come together in a devious plot, it would be easier to tie into this supposed Justice League film, maybe a cameo or two.

That sounds like a terrible idea.


if it was done in the 60s you wouldn't have complained.

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What they should do is something like the Adam West Batman TV movie, have all the villains (or main ones) come together in a devious plot, it would be easier to tie into this supposed Justice League film, maybe a cameo or two.

That sounds like a terrible idea.


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WJK wrote:
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What they should do is something like the Adam West Batman TV movie, have all the villains (or main ones) come together in a devious plot, it would be easier to tie into this supposed Justice League film, maybe a cameo or two.

That sounds like a terrible idea.


if it was done in the 60s you wouldn't have complained.

Yeah, but we're not in the 60s anymore, amigo. I think one or two villains would be ideal for a first outing. That way, the franchise has someplace left to go.

As to Luthor, it's pretty much a given that he'll be back in some capacity. Just so long as he isn't a one-dimensional nutbag with dreams of real estate riches, I'll be perfectly happy. Maybe he could be president!

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