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I know a lot of people don't like how Bane looks, that he's not big enough (who cares?) that he wears that mask, or that coat, but I'm really digging the look, and even Hardy's weird voice. His performance is probably what I'm looking forward to seeing the most in this movie.

Also, how do guys feel about the more grandiose sense of spectacle this movie seems to be giving us? I've read complaints from people that say that isn't Batman, that he works on a much smaller level, or that someone like the Riddler or the Penguin should have been the villain. Personally, and I've said this before, but I'm glad that instead of going smaller after The Dark Knight, they're going even bigger. They're bringing the outside world into the story (we see fighter jets flying over Gotham, and we know Bane is at least known to the government). Which is why I'm also glad they chose Bane over someone like the Riddler. Bane looks like he's not just causing chaos, he looks like he's overthrowing the government, a potential dictator about to seize control and start a new regime. Indeed, a lot of the shots we see of him show him standing with his hands at his harness, as if holding onto an invisible robe or the lapels of some military uniform. Even the audio from the stadium (which I thought sounded ridiculous when first leaked), sounds like it came from some old, war propaganda movie.

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The first poster looks like the suit reveal pic from TDK...

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From a reader's viewpoint, I was very displeased with some of the designs in my first impressions, but I think that once you embrace the concept, you can see all the positives, the mask itself does resemble a skull, which enhances the "movie monster" feel Nolan was going, to quote an example.

Also, the coat looks ridiculously badass, it makes him look like a King, like some sort of "royalty", it's really great.



Fuck the "fans".

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Yeah, those people don't sound like they know what they're talking about.

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At least those who bitch about everything.

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It makes complete thematic sense to end this franchise with a bang, so I'm fine with it.


You don't go from a villainy powerhouse such as the Joker to someone like Penguin or Riddler. This is why fanboys primarily have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.


I actually had an argument with someone who tried to claim that Nolan should have simply hired some bodybuilder as Bane. Never mind that the last time that happened it failed spectacularly, but it's astounding how little appreciation people have for acting. No wrestler or bodybuilder could fucking dream of bringing the level of ferocity that Tom Hardy could bring to that character.

You don't go to those villains simply because they fucking suck.

People only remember The Penguin from the Burton movies, and The Riddler has always been an attractive concept that has never really worked, the only time he did (Hush) was by doing something that has absolutely nothing to do with his character.



I need to see The Warrior.

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Oh man, you just can't please everybody, can you? So many people complained that TDK was too small and now they complain that TDKR looks too big? Psst, fanboys. I for one, I'm really digging the spectacle. Like you t3cii, I really appreciate Bane in the sense that he seems to be completely intent on bringing anarchy to Gotham City. Maybe it's my taste for Apocalyptic films, but I totally dig that. At the same time, I think that Nolan seems to keep track of what's going on in the world and reflects it on these films. TDK hit really close to home at points, it premiered when the violence in Mexico was escalating and situations like corrupt policemen, bodies hanging from buildings, dead cops and the like were part of the reality. It always annoys me a little bit that people criticize the press conference scene for having unrealistic dialogue when the dialogue seems to be ripped out from video clips of press conferences here. Yes, people were actually saying things like "Things are worse than ever!" and "No more dead cops!" That was the reality here and although it's not even in my Top 5 of best comic book films, it's one of the reasons why I have a soft spot for TDK.

In the case of TDKR, again, I see a bit of a reflection of what's going on here. There is almost peace in Juárez, but something seems to be boiling under the surface. With the upcoming elections, people are rebelling against the candidates and making sure that their voices are heard and trying to bring down anyone who opposes them. People are angry as hell. What is troubling and what seems to be going on in TDKR, is that with people so angry, they will turn to anyone who promises to save them. That's why Bane fascinates me as a character. I don't know who's going to side with him, but some of the worst people have the best intentions and Bane seems to have the best intentions in destroying Gotham.

In that way, that sense of spectacle is something I completely welcome. I want to see this film go big and nuts. If it's going to be the end, it needs to go out with a bang. I just hope that Nolan doesn't forget to make the human drama more compelling. One of my issues with TDK is that the human drama was too understated and distant. In BB, it was easier to appreciate the characters as people. I'm just hoping we don't have another Spider-Man 3 in our hands where there is a lot going on, and it's visually impressive, but in the end it was an empty film.

And so far, the spectacle, like I've said before seems top-notch. The cinematography, the production design, the special effects will surely be awesome. The trailers and TV spots already indicate this.

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I think the Riddler would make for a great opening baddie like the Scarecrow was in TDK.
Though I'd have him be a bit more like... a trap setting villain.
Like he was in Arkham City.
Follow the clues to save their lives?
If you're not smart enough, their death is on your conscience.

Would make for a decent opening bit that one wouldn't need to bitch over too much.
Just showing off another villain in the movie universe.
I don't think Riddler could ever carry a movie alone.
Not a chance.

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turns out that weird batman figure was "Stealth Vision Batman" although those weird claws still make me think that it's not actually Bruce, since when has Bruce ever used such an offensive weapon?

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But, with proper lighting...

It even has the waterfall. Also, remember they were rebuilding the batcave since Begins.



Well, we see Batman being chased by the police on his batpod. That could be the next scene after he rides away from Gordon at the end of TDK. Plus, we know Bane will defeat Batman at some point due to the shot of the broken mask being tossed aside. So obviously that fight won't be the finale.[/quote]

Agreed. Just saying that I'll prefer they leave TDK's ending as it is. The same way TDK didn't start right after Begins' ending sequence, TDKR shouldn't continue the story that way. It would feel way to forced.



I always thought Riddler could work as an informer in Nolan's movies. He tells the right information for the right amount of money, but encoded in riddles.
But no, I don't think they're going that route. We got Catwoman and Bane. I doubt we'll see more villains.

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It's a great idea, that only works once.

Didn't surprise me at all in recent years when they turned The Riddler into a reformed private detective, solving crimes and becoming the P.I. of the DCU, helping those that needed his intelligence and his talent for deduction, that stuff had inmense potential.

And then DC had to come over and fuck it up, as usual.

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And truth be told, I think that the Riddler and Penguin would work on Nolan´s movies.

Penguin=Arms dealer

Riddler= Jigsaw with clues


Shit, even Prometheus would work...

I don't bitch about everything Mr. smarty pants

It's you who is in excruciating pain over the ending not me !

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Oh no? Bugs, dlc, character arcs, all this before playing the game

And it´s not excruciating pain, it´s "THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS!" anger. The one that makes someone enter Gregory House mode.


As to the movies, only supernatural and sci-fi villains wouldn´t fit. But that´s not a problem to Nolan, as Ra´s Al Gul has proved. He just changes them.

Could they work in a Nolan film? Most likely. It's not like it'd be the first time these characters have been presented in a grounded manner.
Could they work in this Nolan film? No. It'd make no sense for them to appear--aside from of course pandering to fanboys.

While I don't doubt that the Riddler could work in a Nolan Batman movie, I don't think he would have been a good final villain. If the Joker is Batman's ultimate foe, I don't know how you follow him up with the Riddler. Which is why Bane is probably the best villain Nolan could have picked. His plans look to be even more grandiose than the Joker's, and that he is also a physical threat poses a new challenge towards Batman.

One thing I'm interested in seeing is non Batman's fans towards Bane. Obviously Hardy has his work cut out for him, as the Joker is a tough act to follow. But I think they have made some smart choices in regards to Bane's costume. Like his mask, for instance. They could have designed it to look more like it does in the comics, with it covering every portion of his face, but instead they just have it covering his mouth and jaw. And while some have compared his look to that of a Mortal Kombat character, he really doesn't look any other character that I can think of. Yeah, his mask is ugly and weird looking, especially on his bald head, but it's also so unique that it looks like it will become iconic, something I'm not sure a simple mask would have achieved. Before seeing those initial pics of Bane, I didn't think it would be possible to form a concept or such a specific trait around the character, but they seem to have managed that.

Another interesting choice is Bane's voice. I was dumbfounded when I first heard it in the leaked audio, as it sounded so completely different to what I was expecting. Yet after hearing it in recent trailers, I think Hardy was on to something. As long as we can understand what he's saying (and recent trailers/commercials suggest we will), Bane's voice could become iconic in its own right.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I did admit in the facebook group that some my assesments were a little rushed.

Still, you know very well that I love the game, and have praised it for the most part !

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Honestly, if the themes of TDKR are vengence and redemption, the same could be achieved by getting Falcone´s son instead of Talia, and with the suporting cast being Penguin, Catwoman and Prometheus.

The Riddler on the other hand, yeah, I agree with you. Does not fit this one, not at all.

That said, this proposition with Talia and the LoS is a more ambitious one, and one that is welcome on account of being a bigger threat then the Joker in TDK.


Escalation indeed...




For the most part? Then how come I´m the one always trying to defend it from shortcomings you find?

The cat is out of the bag my friend. The same way that you constantly reminded Nite Owl of the Punisher shenaningans, I will remind you of the the ME3 shenaningans. I am the fucking ghost of christmas past!