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I completely disagree with WJK's assessment. I thought it was a fantastic film that could be called such in its own right as well as an extremely satisfying Alien prequel.

And in the latter vein, I think it works as an excellent complement to the original. While Alien had some interesting passing themes, it was by far superior when it came to its horror elements. With Prometheus, however, its science fictional aspects are expounded to such a degree that the scales are shifted. While it's certainly a horrifying film at times, the ideas it represents, rather than the scares, are the things I think will stick with people after they see the movie.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:23 am 
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I completely disagree with WJK's assessment. I thought it was a fantastic film that could be called such in its own right as well as an extremely satisfying Alien prequel.

And in the latter vein, I think it works as an excellent complement to the original. While Alien had some interesting passing themes, it was by far superior when it came to its horror elements. With Prometheus, however, its science fictional aspects are expounded to such a degree that the scales are shifted. While it's certainly a horrifying film at times, the ideas it represents, rather than the scares, are the things I think will stick with people after they see the movie.

Goddamn you guys and your midnight showings.
I tried so hard to make it but...
alas.

Later today however I will try to make a showing.
And...

I got another free ticket for MIB 3.

I so didn't plan on seeing this THREE times.
But nobody will take it, cause either they don't want to see it or they have already seen it.
So either I'ma see if it covers 3D, or maybe give it away to someone online.
Any takers?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:50 am 
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Goddamn you guys and your midnight showings.

Yeah, we're pretty great.

Also, two things.

1. There have been talks of a sequel to this and I don't think it should have one. (though I'm sure it won't make the moola to fund it regardless) Point is I felt it tied everything together really well and the parts that are left to your imagination serve to provoke thought and discussion. A Prometheus 2 or something to that effect would just be a little superfluous now that they've elaborated on the space jockeys and origins of the xenomorphs.

2. I would like to see another Blade Runner movie, however. This has also been discussed as being not a direct sequel but set in the same universe with possibly a female protagonist. After seeing what Ridley Scott managed to accomplish with Prometheus, I'd very much love for him to revisit his other science fiction universe as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:57 am 
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Godziller66 wrote:
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Goddamn you guys and your midnight showings.

Yeah, we're pretty great.

Also, two things.

1. There have been talks of a sequel to this and I don't think it should have one. (though I'm sure it won't make the moola to fund it regardless) Point is I felt it tied everything together really well and the parts that are left to your imagination serve to provoke thought and discussion. A Prometheus 2 or something to that effect would just be a little superfluous now that they've elaborated on the space jockeys and origins of the xenomorphs.

2. I would like to see another Blade Runner movie, however. This has also been discussed as being not a direct sequel but set in the same universe with possibly a female protagonist. After seeing what Ridley Scott managed to accomplish with Prometheus, I'd very much love for him to revisit his other science fiction universe as well.

I can't say one way or the other one #1 cause I haven't seen it yet.
But I'm totally with you on #2.
I love the Blade Runner world, and I'd pay dollars to pesos to see it revisited.

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Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.


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Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*The first was that I was pretty sure every character would end up dying. In the Alien movies, this story doesn't seem to have gotten out, so killing all of the characters in this movie would be a cheap and easy way of solving that problem. Instead, I thought it was surprising and nice that both David and Elizabeth survived while heading off to seek more answers on the engineers' true home world.

The second was just the reveal of the Alien at the end. I was under the impression that it definitely wouldn't be appearing in this movie and for it to show up in such a miraculous fashion was a great punctuation point on which to end the film.
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***I figured someone would survive since that's just how movies are these days. Also thought the Alien appearance at the end was a pretty badass way to end it.

Edit: Also loved David modeling himself after Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia. He was almost a spitting image.


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Godziller66 wrote:
madvillain wrote:
Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*The first was that I was pretty sure every character would end up dying. In the Alien movies, this story doesn't seem to have gotten out, so killing all of the characters in this movie would be a cheap and easy way of solving that problem. Instead, I thought it was surprising and nice that both David and Elizabeth survived while heading off to seek more answers on the engineers' true home world.

The second was just the reveal of the Alien at the end. I was under the impression that it definitely wouldn't be appearing in this movie and for it to show up in such a miraculous fashion was a great punctuation point on which to end the film.
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To be honest... I figured both those things out from the trailers.

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WJK wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
madvillain wrote:
Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*.....................................*



To be honest... I figured both those things out from the trailers.

Dude. Spoiler text.

Don't be an Avatar.

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Godziller66 wrote:
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Godziller66 wrote:
madvillain wrote:
Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*.....................................*



To be honest... I figured both those things out from the trailers.

Dude. Spoiler text.

Don't be an Avatar.

yeah... I was like FFFFFFFFFFFFF.

Thanks man.

Though I'm not ticked cause I've made that mistake before...

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Godziller66 wrote:
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Godziller66 wrote:
madvillain wrote:
Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*.....................................*



To be honest... I figured both those things out from the trailers.

Dude. Spoiler text.

Don't be an Avatar.


My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it yet, why the fuck are you posting in a thread about it?

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WJK wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
WJK wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
madvillain wrote:
Saw it on a whim with some buddies at midnight and I thought it was pretty good having never seen an Alien movie in my life(:D). I loved the practical special effects, but I do agree with WJK that the second half was fairly predictable.

There were actually two big things in the second half that I thought weren't very predictable, but it may have just been me. I'll put them in spoiler text.

*.....................................*



To be honest... I figured both those things out from the trailers.

Dude. Spoiler text.

Don't be an Avatar.


My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it yet, why the fuck are you posting in a thread about it?

To see peoples' reception towards it?

Now edit your post, you silly sod.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:43 pm 
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My review.

I dunno, maybe I missed something, but could someone please explain to me what the Space Jockeys' plan was and how it made any kind of sense?

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My review.

I dunno, maybe I missed something, but could someone please explain to me what the Space Jockeys' plan was and how it made any kind of sense?

*The Space Jockeys were using Earth as well as other planets as petri dishes.*

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:15 am 
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^I get that part.

What I don't get is why they had to destroy life on Earth after they went through the trouble of creating it in the first place. Or why they left behind the pictograms to show where they were. Or why *that one alien waited in cryo-sleep for them all that time.*

And on a similar subject, *What was the deal with David infecting Holloway? Did he do that on the off chance that Holloway just might have sex in the narrow window between infection and death, and that he just might get a woman knocked up in the process? And even if all of that happened, how would David know the end result?*

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^I get that part.

What I don't get is why they had to destroy life on Earth after they went through the trouble of creating it in the first place. Or why they left behind the pictograms to show where they were. Or why *HERE BE SPOILERS*

*I believe they wanted to destroy life on earth as part of their biological weapons testing to see how it would affect the populace and that's the whole reason humans were created in the first place. The pictograms are open to speculation. I'll admit I don't fully comprehend that part. The space jockey in waiting wasn't actually in waiting. I think it just happened to be in cryo-sleep when all his comrades died.*

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And on a similar subject, *SPOILERS HERE TOO*

*David infected Holloway because he could. He wanted to see what it would do to him. I don't think he believed it likely Holloway would impregnate Shaw, though. That was just a happy accident.*

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And on a similar subject, *SPOILERS HERE TOO*

*SPOILER CONJECTURE ABOUT DAVID AND HOLLOWAY*

How do you figure?

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
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And on a similar subject, *SPOILERS HERE TOO*

*SPOILER CONJECTURE ABOUT DAVID AND HOLLOWAY*

How do you figure?

*He's an inhumanoid with a child-like curiosity and a loose understanding of ethics who clearly understands the concept of doing something because it can be done. It's just experimentation, really, which is exactly what the space jockeys wanted to do only on a much larger scale.*

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Just saw it. Came back from it like 15 minutes ago.

I have definate issues with it.

I'm not going to call it a dissappointment... but... yeah.

Okay.
You know those graph charts for business profits?
Now imagine it was graphing the level of suspence.
Alien, would gradually increase and increase, steadily, and finally it just pops through the roof once the line hits the end of the chart.
Aliens.... same. Alien 3.... same. Alien Ressurrection, despite being shit.... same.

Prometheus is erratic.

Spoilers are ahead -

It builds, and pauses, builds and pauses, and builds... and then just sort of meanders a bit.
I blame it on the script. Not the story. Not even a pacing problem.
But for instance, Weyland's reveal. Failed to be a surprise. I mean, it was unexpected, but it didn't budge me.
Just like Vicker's being his daughter. Uh... who cares? I mean... Vickers wasn't an interesting character.
What exactly did that add to the movie? Was it supposed to be a twist? What was the point?
If it adds some deeper dynamic... please let me know.
Because she could've been JUST an employee and her arc and character wouldn't have been any different.
*shrug*

That whole scene interrupted the flow for me. And scenes like it too.

They could've done ALL that about half way through, and given us way more time on the escape pod being chased by the Engineer and the alien.
Stretch that suspence OUT. Come on. I felt like all the suspenceful bits, SANS the surgery scene; that was brilliant I thought, all the suspenceful bits and scenes were undercut by another pause in the building tension.

Alien STILL shreds my nerves cause of how the tension builds.
With the story they had here, there is no reason why it couldn't have kept all of its plot and questions and tone intact and STILL amp up the climax. The ship crashing wasn't all that to me because... I knew it was going to from the trailer. I wanted more.

Not even talking about the xenomorph or anything.

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I just think the movie was structured oddly. Poorly even.

But I love the score, I LOVE the scope and the design. It truly feels grand and epic in the dictionary sense of the word.
It was spellbinding and breathtaking but...

Yeah. Sorry. I'm not sure where I stand on it. I couldn't even score it right now.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:00 am 
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I just think the movie was structured oddly. Poorly even.

But I love the score, I LOVE the scope and the design. It truly feels grand and epic in the dictionary sense of the word.
It was spellbinding and breathtaking but...

Yeah. Sorry. I'm not sure where I stand on it. I couldn't even score it right now.

I think it has odd pacing as well, but I don't see it as a big issue. It would be if it were trying to work as an out and out horror or action movie like Alien and Aliens did, though. Honestly, the pacing felt a bit like Moon's to me.

Anyway, did you think it worked as an Alien prequel?

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Prometheus is erotic.

Fixed.

Oh, and btw *Vickers being Weyland's daughter was significant because it legitimized her point of view that he shouldn't try to achieve eternal life. It's not that she was indifferent, just that she thought it to be a lofty, unnecessary, and even dangerous ambition.*

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