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Simple. We'll know and all make up our own minds when we finally see the finished film. Until then, all we have is supposition and speculation, if somewhat informed (or not).

And Broken Finger, I'll grant you that there are indeed Pollyannas among us as long as it's pointed out (even though it's already obvious) that there are just as many-- if not more -- extreme pessimists with irrational deductions of their own.

I have yet to see any real "giggling Synder fanboys" around, though... unless you put anyone who dares give him the benefit of any doubt whatsoever into that camp. But I think you're probably too logical to do that.

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I haven't seen anyone like that.



And I think you overestimate my abilities as a logician.

No wait, that's not right.

Charming.

You're absolutely right, NF - I haven't seen the film, and so I'm speculating: that's why I wrote in the conditional mood. You're trying to find opinions to take seriously on a forum populated by fans of a movie that has yet to be released? Are you delusional? The site is devoted to bull crit: that's the fun of it. We can all become serious film critics when the film has been released, at which point I look forward to your articles in the Cahiers du Cinema.

And if you're arguing that we can draw no inferences about the film from the material that the studio has released (two and a half trailers, eight video journals, dozens of interviews) then I submit that you don't understand how advertising works. If we don't yet know how the film will stage Rorschach's fight with the cops, we know that Snyder's Rorschach has remarkable grace and vigor for a man who eats sugar cubes and canned beans, and we know that his Silk Spectre can fight through a mob of rioting prisoners with the grace of Fred Astaire. It's not an unreasonable leap to suspect that Snyder is making "awesome" an important criterion in the fight scenes. If that proves to be the case, I have no complaints: I don't think fidelity is a legitimate category when weighing adaptations, and if Snyder can make a diverting and thoughtful movie while staging crazy-ass Rorschach Fu, power to him. It'll have its pleasures.

Rorschach was always portrayed as extremely capable. He's clearly athletic and agile. The scene where he fights cops, in the novel, he talks about how he must get up, must find out who framed him, etc. He wouldn't let cops stand in the way of that. In short, he wouldn't go down without a fight. A physical fight, if neccessary. And Rorschach hates cops. He has good reason to hate cops. Hayter knew this, and while that subplot has been excised from the script, the idea remains.

No-one is doubting Rorschach's ability or determination. The whole point is that regardless of his drive and motivation, he is just a man; a man who is injured in his fall and is taken down easily by the few cops outside. In the GN we don't see many coppers when Rorschach is downed - perhaps about 4 max. We have gone from Rorschach suddenly been demonstrably human - not superhuman - to him jumping down 35 or so feet uninjured and tearing apart 8 coppers armed with batons.



What else would he be punching the coppers with? Nobody said Rorschach becomes a 'Batman imitator' - what was pointed out is that Rorschach is moving dangerously close to traditional superhero territory in this scene, with Batman cited as an example. Batman is usually portrayed as 'just a man' albeit highly skilled and trained with access to incredible gadgets, but many, many things we see him do in comics are beyond the realm of any human ability; such as beating up Superman, and many more. Rorschach is just a man and is portrayed as such in the GN; leaping from the aforementioned window unscathed and tearing apart 8 coppers with batons, barehanded is approaching 'superhero' territory. Plus it is missing the point of the GN.

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Guard, out of interest, is there one bit of the script you read you didn't like?

You seem awfully partial to it is all........

And I'm sorry, why else are we on this board other than to make deductions?

If this place is going to become a Snyder wankfest intersperced by photoshop threads then I am out.

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so just because he doesn't say the usual FU Snyder from fanboys on the net he must be bias hows this maybe the script is you know good and he likes it

Here's the deal. Of course Rorschach would try to fight the cops. But the problem is, the fall should have hurt him too much. He shouldn't have enough time to get up and start fighting. It's pretty unrealistic.

And no, I haven't read all the posts, I'm busy. That's just my take.

My script "assessment" clearly indicates with loud Boos the elements of it that I did not care for.

Correct, but it was for very minor details (sugar cubes and "Raw Shark") that would neither make nor break the film for anyone. I'm guessing KM was asking about any major character arcs, dialogue, changes in tone, etc., that you did not care for.

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That's a loaded question. I have to answer it by saying...I understand the nature of adaption. I understand that you simply cannot adapt every element I love about WATCHMEN in 138 pages, or anything close to that (it's already a long script).

So are there elements I miss a lot? Sure, the origin of Rorschach's mask, Rorschach's "smoke and human fat" speech after he kills Grice, some of Jon's time with Laurie on Mars, bits of Jon's own flashbacks, Adrian's "trimmed" explanation of his plan...but are you asking me is there anything that just strikes me as outright wrong for WATCHMEN in the script?

The end, where Dan kills Adrian. There are some story changes, and there are things I really miss that were omitted, but most of these are "represented" somehow, either via other dialogue, or via being "shown" something, but the only thing that really rings false (that I can recall offhand) is the death of Veidt. And even then, it's not that he dies...it's the shitty pacing and execution of it.

From what I've seen, Raw-Shark would be pointless anyways, as everyone is pronouncing Rorschach as Roar-Shack, and not how its supposed to be, like Raw-Shock.

"Raw shark" is a joke (and an allusion to TBF)...because Fine can't quite hear the caller. It doesn't actually sound like that.

That might be how it would sound if said with a certain accent...

Usually in America it would be pronounced "Roar Shack" or "Roar Shock".

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Nope
The guys name, who made the test.
His name is pronounced Raw-Shock.

EDIT:

Yeah, I guess it would be pronounced like that.

Thats how I pronounced it before I found out how to say it.

Raw-Shock does sound like Raw-Shark, yeah?

R-o-uh-Sh-och

R as in Paris

O as in no

Uh as in cut

Sh as in she

Och as in Loch

Thread over.

NAH IT'S ACTUALLY ROARS-KACK

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When Fine said Raw Shark i always kinda imagined Moloch having some sort of accent or speech impediment, not to mention he was probably nervous cause he made the call falsely presumably against his will.

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