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 Post subject: The Dark Knight Returns
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:37 am 
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I'm almost done reading the graphic novel and was thinking that eventually someone would attempt to tackle this as a film because, well, its a popular book and thats what hollywood does. I feel like it would be even more difficult to put it to the silver screen then watchmen because of the dark storyline that almost makes batman a less likable character.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:37 pm 
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Tim Burton made the first Batman movie because he liked "The Dark Knight Returns." Anyway, it would make a good movie in my opinion. The thing is, who would be willing to do it. Finance it, keep the "R" rating, the violence, the grittiness. . .everything! Who can bring it to the big screen? Zack Snyder? He kept 300 faithful to the source. Christopher Nolan, Frank Miller?

Maybe in a fantasy world free of corporate greed they can re-cast Christian Bale and Aaron Eckhart and have Christopher Nolan direct it (assuming he'd keep it faithful).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:16 pm 
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Frank Miller should direct, with an entirely different cast.

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I think the main obstacle is Bat-fatigue.

Nolan is directing a juggernaut Batman franchise with a successful first entry, a highly-anticipated sequel and a possible third entry. WB is trying (and currently failing, but trying all the same) to get Justice League off the ground.

As popular and as great as Batman is, the moviegoing public can only take so much. What's more, I'd honestly be surprised if Nolan decided to make a fourth Batman. Hell, he might not even do a third.

Bottom line: If the Dark Knight Returns is ever going to get made, it won't be for another decade at least.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:17 am 
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I think the main obstacle is Bat-fatigue.

Nolan is directing a juggernaut Batman franchise with a successful first entry, a highly-anticipated sequel and a possible third entry. WB is trying (and currently failing, but trying all the same) to get Justice League off the ground.

As popular and as great as Batman is, the moviegoing public can only take so much. What's more, I'd honestly be surprised if Nolan decided to make a fourth Batman. Hell, he might not even do a third.

Bottom line: If the Dark Knight Returns is ever going to get made, it won't be for another decade at least.


Interestingly, I thought Batman Begins borrowed quite liberally from Miller's Batman: Year One which I enjoyed more than DKR.

In DKR, Miller was able to make some open ended liberties with the Batman franchise. While I enjoyed his characterizations of many of the DC heroes and villains (and his artwork was groundbreaking at the time), I find it hard to discern what he's trying to say. The whole vigilantes will take the law into their own hands in the absence of true justice theme gets a little tedious, bordering on pointless.

Year One was more enjoyable from my perspective because Miller had to discipline his writing around an established timeline.

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I just reread my TDKR last week... while I think its one of the greatest comicbooks ever.... I am not sure about the translation to film.

The flying baby bomb thing... ??? I still dont get those??

HOWEVER, I would love to see Batman kicking the crap out Superman on the big screen.... about time he got stomped.

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Uridium wrote:
The flying baby bomb thing... ??? I still dont get those??

me either!!

anyone care to explain?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:02 am 
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i re-read it recently too and yet i still don't think it is as special as people say

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I feel like it would be even more difficult to put it to the silver screen then watchmen because of the dark storyline that almost makes batman a less likable character.


sorry? is/was batman ever supposed to be a likeable character? and how would that make it hard to make it into a film? do you understand the complexities surrounding the movie version of watchmen and why there is over a year of post-production needed?

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When Burton's Batman came out I was disappointed. I'd read Miller's GN and Miller's year one which both preceded TB's film version of the caped crusader.

Trouble is, there seems to be an enormous discrepancy regarding content in comics and content on film.

Admittedly – although a little cranky by today's standards – Dark Knight and Year One were great GNs in their day. Unfortunately, the movie industry wasn't ready for that shit. The public still had Adam West on their collective retinas, so I wasn't thrilled with what I have seen of Batman. Not even "Begins" was on the money. Lets see what Ledger can do to spice things up. :|

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I'm almost half-way through Dark Knight Returns. I was really enjoying it, but was then inspired to re-read Watchmen, haha.

Robin is kinda weirding me out, but it's a good story. Superman Returns ripped it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:40 am 
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It would be kind of interesting if Nolan and company waited twenty years or so, then did the Dark Knight Returns with as much of the same cast as possible. I could see Christian Bale playing sixty or so, when he's forty-five or fifty.

Or an animated dvd would be cool with me. Unfortunately, none of these studios check with me about any details!


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Is BAtman really 60 in DKR? I thought he was late forties early fifties, but that doesn't matter.

I'm just getting into Batman Comics and read DKR the other day and thought that it could be a really good movie, it has strong characters, a good plot, plenty of action, and it's pretty short so not a lot would have to be taken out for a 2.5 hour movie. Also if Miller was involved it could be really good.

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I think (and I'm happy to be proved wrong here) that Bruce Wayne's age is around 55 in DKR. I actually think the idea of leaving it for 15 years and getting Nolan to make it with the surviving cast (Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman might not be about, but most of the rest ought to be.....)

Once Nolan is done with the Bat-Franchise, they should try to get him to agree to return to the franchise in 15 or so years to do The Dark Knight Returns. That would be awesome.

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[NOTE: Images removed. --Curiosity Inc.]

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it was tying it into the rape-revenge stories and making light of a verys erious sub-genre that kind of offended me.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:31 am 
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I'm sorry, AYB, but I can't allow you to post those.

For those of you who don't know, pictures were recently leaked from The Dark Knight. Unfortunately, these pics were obtained illegally and WB has been sending cease-and-desist forms every which way. They obviously don't want these pictures getting out and I think it's best that DD and I respect their wishes.

Of course, the pictures are still floating around. If you want to find them, you won't have to look far.

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 Post subject: Re: New Snyder interview
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[NOTE: The following posts were merged here from a thread in the Watchmen movie section about this interview. --"Curiosity Inc."]

"The script doesn't matter to me"
Heh. Legend.

Argh @ the article. "And why he would love to do Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT graphic novel adaptation" "I said I’m interested in Frank Miller’s [graphic novel] THE DARK KNIGHT. That’s really my favorite comic book. However, the studio has this massive franchise and I don’t think they’ll let me make a BATMAN movie where he’s fifty years old and Ronald Reagan is president."

Jesus, you'd think they'd realise he's not talking about TDK. A little research would show it's DKR and common sense should tell him it goes comic to movie, not movie to comic.

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 Post subject: Re: New Snyder interview
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"Sorry, Zack, we can't let you make a grim superhero story in which a past president is in office. Now, get back to work on Watchmen." Is that what they're saying?
I'd LOVE to see Zack's version of DKR.

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 Post subject: Re: New Snyder interview
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
"Argh @ the article. "And why he would love to do Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT graphic novel adaptation" "I said I’m interested in Frank Miller’s [graphic novel] THE DARK KNIGHT. That’s really my favorite comic book. However, the studio has this massive franchise and I don’t think they’ll let me make a BATMAN movie where he’s fifty years old and Ronald Reagan is president."

Jesus, you'd think they'd realise he's not talking about TDK. A little research would show it's DKR and common sense should tell him it goes comic to movie, not movie to comic.


What are you talking about? All they did was get the name of the book wrong, but they know he was talking about an adaptation of a specific Frank Miller story, and not the Christopher Nolan movie. All he was saying is that Warners wouldn't want them messing with their establishd Batman continuity by doing something so out there.


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 Post subject: Re: New Snyder interview
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Katsuro wrote:
AYBGerrardo wrote:
"Argh @ the article. "And why he would love to do Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT graphic novel adaptation" "I said I’m interested in Frank Miller’s [graphic novel] THE DARK KNIGHT. That’s really my favorite comic book. However, the studio has this massive franchise and I don’t think they’ll let me make a BATMAN movie where he’s fifty years old and Ronald Reagan is president."

Jesus, you'd think they'd realise he's not talking about TDK. A little research would show it's DKR and common sense should tell him it goes comic to movie, not movie to comic.


What are you talking about? All they did was get the name of the book wrong, but they know he was talking about an adaptation of a specific Frank Miller story, and not the Christopher Nolan movie. All he was saying is that Warners wouldn't want them messing with their establishd Batman continuity by doing something so out there.


They definitely wouldn't want him making it now when it's still a three part deal and they're going to want Nolan on-board. However, I could definitely see Snyder doing it after the third movie. If Watchmen does well, Snyder will be in good with WB and DC. Would be another way of re-examining by having something unconventional like a superhero in his 50s. In a way, it's possible since Nolan's Batman movies never establish a set era in America. More needless speculation by me.


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 Post subject: Re: New Snyder interview
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behemoth wrote:
"Sorry, Zack, we can't let you make a grim superhero story in which a past president is in office. Now, get back to work on Watchmen." Is that what they're saying?
I'd LOVE to see Zack's version of DKR.


Though I kind of get what he's saying. Unlike Watchmen, which exists in its own universe, Batman is Batman, and the people who own the rights to it aren't going to let that version be made, unless it's heavily neutered. Besides, were it to be done, Miller would probably direct it himself.


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